Joined: 08 Jul 2013 Posts: 1949 Location: Australia
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:36 pm Post subject: IMVU for Teens
We all know that IMVU are gearing IMVU to attract the younger generation and throwing us old has beens under the bus.
So i was reading yesterday that on IMVU Next you cant buy VIP, AP, Marriage package, there are no room and furniture items to buy, so no shared room possibility. The inventory is excessive too.
So why not have IMVU Next for teens and leave the adults in peace on the client. Unless said teens want to create of course then they have to buy VIP. That way they dont need to buy anything or need parents credit cards and whatever on Next
How many times do we read, there needs to be two separate IMVU's one for kids, one for adults.
I think its a well know fact that most of us seasoned IMVU users, HATE Next (i said MOST not all) yet teens love it because its on their mobile devices.
Just an idea, that way, IMVU manages to do a rare thing and keep everyone happy _________________
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This is my opinion on the big picture. I am going to try and keep it as objective as possible with the least amount of biased opinion.
1a. I don't think it's so much a "We think everyone is using a mobile device" I think it's more of a "Let's make a product that is easier to access."
1b. We read time and time again when people bring up various points, "IMVU is about making money." That is where I feel Next is going. The downloadable client will be around just long enough for when Next can do everything the downloadable client can and more. We will see the death of the downloadable client.
1c. That is what I feel Next will be doing. It will be the huge money grabbing net that the downloadable client can't compete with. Think about it for just a moment. The downloadable client requires you to have a device that is connected to the internet and has the program downloaded. What does Next require? Basically if you can access a browser with your device, you can use Next and you don't have to download anything. Meaning you can be 100 miles away from your PC and if you have some kind of browser device chances are you can access Next. You may choose not to because of personal reasons, or maybe you have a plan that wouldn't make it a good idea, but those venues are still there.
2a. I also don't think it has anything to do with throwing people under the bus. Do I think that Next was released out to the community way before it was ready? Of course I do. I think people may have just forgotten how IMVU runs with their deployment of their product. We release things out in pieces. Hence why a feature comes out and some people have it and others don't.
2b. If It's not throwing people under the bus, what is it then? Honestly, I think it's just their way of getting ready to kill the downloadable client. There are many issues with the client, the biggest issue in my opinion is the language that it is written in. While Python can create 3d spaces, it doesn't do the job as well as it could. That's not really IMVU's fault though, that was the technology that IMVU had to work with at the time. This is where Unity comes in though, which is what Next is using. It's a gaming engine, it's specifically designed to handle what IMVU should be. Not saying it should be a game, not saying that at all. IMVU should be rendered on a system that is designed to render 3d environments. Which as I have said before, Python can do it, but it doesn't do the experience justice.
3. I don't think it would be a wise move on behalf of the programmers to keep both the downloadable client and Next up and running. That is a lot of resources that a being wasted on a system that is dying. In my opinion, I think IMVU should leave the client alone and focus their efforts on improving the experience of Next. I think the only reason why we are seeing them doing anything as far as updates on the downloadable client is because it has to work with the newer system and if it didn't work with it, it would be even more work on the programmers end.
I do apologize for writing a book, and I hope I stayed on topic of what was being discussed. If I went to far off in left field, I do apologize.
Joined: 07 May 2007 Posts: 14775 Location: Australia
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 8:44 pm Post subject:
I sure hope they don't do what you think Egg. Even if Next could do everything the client could, it's still a poor substitute 3d wise.
Using your tablet or phone for imvu would be slow and cumbersome. Also slow for typing. I can type much faster using a computer than a phone. If they mothballed the client, I would have to leave imvu. _________________
Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 37473 Location: United Kingdom
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:36 pm Post subject:
I may be wrong here (and I'm sure someone will correct me if wrong) but a downloadable program can utilise the graphics card of your computer, while something running through your browser can't.
If that is correct, they can never get anything working in the browser as well as in the client.
In addition, mobiles and phones do not have anything like the graphics capability that a computer has.
No, everyone is NOT using a phone for IMVU or for anything else.
I rarely use my phone for emails, for example, because it's extremely slow and hard to read compared to the laptop.
In addition, unless you happen to be rich, the charges for unlimited data are prohibitively exorbitant, especially considering that the data is not presented in an easily read fashion.
Next is not even close to being more accessible than the client. It's like suggesting that watching a 10 minute cartoon summary of LoTR is better than watching the full 9 hours plus films. It's not better at all. It's a waste of 10 minutes.
As for the suggestion,
IMVU is unlikely to split teens off from adults for the same reason that they have always given - it's impossible to know people's ages and they cannot enforce a rule that children must send in copies of their ID (especially as most kids in many countries don't have any ID.)
Such a thing would be a paedo's paradise, even more so than the current situation. An entire 3d world with teens and no-one looking to see what's going on?
Very dangerous for the kids. _________________
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My opinion on this is that IMVU should stay in both ways, download and mobile.
I think it's up to each one of us to decide which one to use, just like we all use IMVU for different things. While most teens use it to chat, some others rather use it to create stuff to sell, some others just like to buy clothes for their avis and make different outfits.
The PC version is awesome the way it is (obviously it could use some new technology to have better movements and physics (?) but other than that, I love the way it is.)
The NEXT version... well, I used to hate it. I still don't like it very much, to be honest. I think there's still lots to do with it; I don't think it shows what IMVU can truly be, and I think what must be done, is to show these teens who only use Next, that the download version is so much better. Also, the chat on mobile is so uncomfortable, having half of the screen used by the keyboard and the other half used to show the comments and the actual 3D as a background, the zooming is limited as well.
Maybe what the IMVU staff could do, is to promote the download client and NEXT, not just the mobile app.
Joined: 20 Nov 2008 Posts: 1531 Location: USA - CA
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:53 am Post subject:
Recently, like 1-2 weeks ago, I tried Next and mobile versions and gave it a fair shot. Both Next and mobile were unstable, crashed and had internet connection problems. I even noted it in bugs and issues forum. Mobile was by far, the worst. _________________ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Benjamin Franklin (1759)
Joined: 30 Jan 2009 Posts: 1690 Location: USA - KY
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:13 pm Post subject:
I see worse things on facebook! I already know the lil brats get access to stuff however unless we have proof theres nothing we can do. The parents are failing in the monitoring their children department. _________________
I don't want there to be two separate IMVU's to begin with. I don't enjoy IMVU NEXT, however, I don't think it has to be abolished. Some people enjoy it and some don't. I'm hoping that IMVU Client stays as is or just continues to grow and have upgrades when necessary.
Personally, I'm only on IMVU for my Catalog. If I wasn't doing something creative on here, I'd be bored out of my mind. I'm past the stage in my life where new things like IMVU NEXT would have excited me. I'm just not interested in the direction of IMVU NEXT and truly hope it doesn't replace IMVU Client. Without Creator Mode as is, I will likely not be a part of the Developing Community anymore.
I don't think IMVU has a goal in mind to force out older uses. I just think their strategy is to gain newer, younger, and more "easy-spending" customers. The high-school to young college crowd will easily spend money on this stuff. So it makes sense to target the younger crowds as a main audience. Any business would be wise to focus on the newer generation since they were practically born with a cellphone attached to their hands. _________________
As someone that was a minor on this site once, I am always going to speak against completely separating minors and adults. Especially if that means two completely different systems like what you are suggesting.
Firstly because already without the separation, being 16-17 was extremely lonely on here, unless you are a part of the "lulz, am so random X3!" crowd, it was very hard to find someone to talk to, similarly I know of users that are 18+ that prefer younger company, not for sexual reasons, but for maturity reasons.
Secondly, creating a separation will lead to half the IMVU adult population having a fake age. And people already find people with fake ages to be a problem.
Lastly, I do not want an adult IMVU site, because let's be honest here, it's going to turn into a fÌ•uckfest or at least include excessive amount of nudity, and I don't want that. Either it is going to turn into an XXX site, even if IMVU does not explicitly say so, or there will be constant complaining about the rules and restrictions of an adult only site. _________________ PM me a dank meme and get a free gift!
I continue to disagree with the sentiment that IMVU is intentionally throwing adults under the bus.
Adults can't all be verified for various different reason, and kids + teens can make adult accounts, so it wouldn't really matter if there was two separate areas. There would still be adults posing as teens and vise versa.
IMVU Next and Mobile are severely limited compared to the client. They are works in progress, and forcing kids and teens to stick there would not be fair.
Finally, as I said in another post, IMVU gearing for a new wave of accounts from young demographic is not a bad thing. They're a company, they're trying to get new potential customers, and cutting said customers off from the "exclusive" client until they're 18 won't entice them to stick around.
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