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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i would be mad u should dcma them!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It wouldn't be so bad if this person had other people's products or some of their own. It's just all my products and a tag line that says I'll be a legend some day just wait and see....
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It used to be that when you derived off of orginators signature item that you had to alter one thing on it to claim it as yours, I do not see that now adays. As reading yes people are just taking peoples derivables and doing no changes to them and calling them thier own and placing thier names on them. All in all yes if your item is Derivable and others dev from it then you made that choice to take that chance, And I agree with others on the Icons simply put your brand name on it let them copy it as it is free advertising for you. It's a shame that alot of the new Dever's have resorted to simply copying others work to make some credits and over pricing them..ie I have seen items from orginators that are perhaps 500 cr and then the reseller of the items has it at 1500. Well thiers will never sell as it is to hig and most if they are smart will look at where it was derived from and find it cheaper and will buy from there. So there are alot of Pros and Cons to it but either way you come out on top.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

there are many new creatuers that have been doing this sadly even if you tell new creaters they will say they can.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It used to be that when you derived off of orginators signature item that you had to alter one thing on it to claim it as yours, I do not see that now adays. As reading yes people are just taking peoples derivables and doing no changes to them and calling them thier own and placing thier names on them. All in all yes if your item is Derivable and others dev from it then you made that choice to take that chance, And I agree with others on the Icons simply put your brand name on it let them copy it as it is free advertising for you. It's a shame that alot of the new Dever's have resorted to simply copying others work to make some credits and over pricing them..ie I have seen items from orginators that are perhaps 500 cr and then the reseller of the items has it at 1500. Well thiers will never sell as it is to hig and most if they are smart will look at where it was derived from and find it cheaper and will buy from there. So there are alot of Pros and Cons to it but either way you come out on top.


The bolded bit. Any chance you could tell us around when that was, because as long as I've been here you could do a ZCD and not be in trouble unless you used the creators' advertising.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Creators copying entire shops??? Reply with quote

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How would you feel and what could you do if you found a creator with every derivable product in your shop and all of your icons? I recently found someone that just joined the creator program to copy my derivable items in my catalog including my icons.

If I am still in the derive chain I usually dont take my time to deal with them. Must customers will learn quickly to go to the HTML Catalog and see the derive chain. If they like it enough and pay the higher price, oh well it is on them. If I am not in the Derive Chain, I will pursue everything in my power to break them in half, DMCA and have their accounts permanently banned.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see the point, but all we can do is DMCA those creators.
You may feel violated, but that's all we can do.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:27 am    Post subject: Re: Creators copying entire shops??? Reply with quote

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252red wrote:
How would you feel and what could you do if you found a creator with every derivable product in your shop and all of your icons? I recently found someone that just joined the creator program to copy my derivable items in my catalog including my icons.

If I am still in the derive chain I usually dont take my time to deal with them. Must customers will learn quickly to go to the HTML Catalog and see the derive chain. If they like it enough and pay the higher price, oh well it is on them. If I am not in the Derive Chain, I will pursue everything in my power to break them in half, DMCA and have their accounts permanently banned.


Bold part: Do most customers really learn to do that without being told? Especially if they're mainly shopping from the client shop where that information is not readily available?

This is something I've never seen imvu does teach customers.

To the OP, personally, I would go after the use of icons. Can't do anything about the ZCDs.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:13 am    Post subject: Re: Creators copying entire shops??? Reply with quote

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LestatDeLioncourt wrote:
252red wrote:
How would you feel and what could you do if you found a creator with every derivable product in your shop and all of your icons? I recently found someone that just joined the creator program to copy my derivable items in my catalog including my icons.

If I am still in the derive chain I usually dont take my time to deal with them. Must customers will learn quickly to go to the HTML Catalog and see the derive chain. If they like it enough and pay the higher price, oh well it is on them. If I am not in the Derive Chain, I will pursue everything in my power to break them in half, DMCA and have their accounts permanently banned.


Bold part: Do most customers really learn to do that without being told? Especially if they're mainly shopping from the client shop where that information is not readily available?

This is something I've never seen imvu does teach customers.

To the OP, personally, I would go after the use of icons. Can't do anything about the ZCDs.


The vast majority wont learn for a long time, but eventually they will notice when they search for something in the shop there are 4 or 5 identical products all submitted by different developers but with different prices, and go to do some investigating to check out why that is. That's how I figured it out.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Creators copying entire shops??? Reply with quote

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<<<more>>> Do most customers really learn to do that without being told? Especially if they're mainly shopping from the client shop where that information is not readily available?

This is something I've never seen imvu does teach customers.


I agree, IMVU doesn't teach customers much of anything. It was a wonder when they brought the Quests back... LOL It is all "monkey see monkey do" or simple trial and error learning. These methods leave many dark alleys hidden and unexplored :/

Yeah, IMVU isn't to proud of the HTML catalog. LOL It is archaic and design resembles something from the mid 80's IMVU Next with the dumb assed white icons is an embarrassment to all (where is the promised Next Icon Creator Tool?).

I believe it is an educational process from word of mouth in the chat. People helping and teaching each other. An example would be... People will "link" a product location to someone and they click it. From then on they know the existence of the HTML catalog. Maybe new people will ask if someone can help them find "such and such", etc. Those who are exposed to the HTML Cat will investigate further and discover the other options. It really doesn't take long for most to figure out.

The new people exposed to IMVU by mobile only? This is a different dog altogether it may take years for them to find the downloadable client and use it. Again, I think it will be word of mouth education. IMVU is not pointing people to the downloadable client. It may take years to get the HTML catalog to work on small mobile devices. Thus my following conclusion...

It may be very hard for anyone on IMVU Next to discover a ZCD and how to find the parent product(s). OMG! and good luck to them... Copying complete catalogs will become more and more the easy way to create. Unknowing people getting ripped off by ZCD Creators, etc. will become more and more popular. Catalog pollution will become more and more prevalent.

Good luck to anyone trying to find anything in the bloated catalog.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So this happened to me ...what if someone derives from one of your product ,hides it on his catalog and still derive from the hiden item...the derivation chain is then hiden,if someone see the product and check from where was derived,that product is hiden,my mesh ,that im the owner of it ...never shows up,that pisses me off...it's ok,I dont have a problem if you let your derivation derivable,but hell...dont hide it ,and I still dont understand why they do that...
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So this happened to me ...what if someone derives from one of your product ,hides it on his catalog and still derive from the hiden item...the derivation chain is then hiden,if someone see the product and check from where was derived,that product is hiden,my mesh ,that im the owner of it ...never shows up,that pisses me off...it's ok,I dont have a problem if you let your derivation derivable,but hell...dont hide it ,and I still dont understand why they do that...


Even if the chain has a hidden product, you still get your credits. Again, it takes someone knowing how to look at the derivation tree to find what's beyond the hidden product, which would be your mesh. The creator who did that is getting extra credits with each sale they get.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Emes wrote:
So this happened to me ...what if someone derives from one of your product ,hides it on his catalog and still derive from the hiden item...the derivation chain is then hiden,if someone see the product and check from where was derived,that product is hiden,my mesh ,that im the owner of it ...never shows up,that pisses me off...it's ok,I dont have a problem if you let your derivation derivable,but hell...dont hide it ,and I still dont understand why they do that...


Even if the chain has a hidden product, you still get your credits. Again, it takes someone knowing how to look at the derivation tree to find what's beyond the hidden product, which would be your mesh. The creator who did that is getting extra credits with each sale they get.


I know ,but not everyone knows to look at the derivation tree,not sure about the extra money coz the price is the same as mine,the original mesh...anyways,ty for answering
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So this happened to me ...what if someone derives from one of your product ,hides it on his catalog and still derive from the hiden item...the derivation chain is then hiden,if someone see the product and check from where was derived,that product is hiden,my mesh ,that im the owner of it ...never shows up,that pisses me off...it's ok,I dont have a problem if you let your derivation derivable,but hell...dont hide it ,and I still dont understand why they do that...


There are three reasons that I've been told that people do this:

(1) As Lila stated, getting extra credits without looking like you're charging as much as you are.

(2) Trying to get sales-derived points for tiers.

(3) Trying to make it so that you can't click on "derived from" and find the other (possibly better) derivations of the mesh.

Mostly, they think that most shoppers do not know how to use the product tree. This is one of the many reasons that I wish new users were given a task/tour about how to use the web catty.

And, to be fair:

(4) Other reasons that might make sense to them but will remain a mystery to the rest of us.
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TheBratGirl wrote:
Emes wrote:
So this happened to me ...what if someone derives from one of your product ,hides it on his catalog and still derive from the hiden item...the derivation chain is then hiden,if someone see the product and check from where was derived,that product is hiden,my mesh ,that im the owner of it ...never shows up,that pisses me off...it's ok,I dont have a problem if you let your derivation derivable,but hell...dont hide it ,and I still dont understand why they do that...


There are three reasons that I've been told that people do this:

(1) As Lila stated, getting extra credits without looking like you're charging as much as you are.

(2) Trying to get sales-derived points for tiers.

(3) Trying to make it so that you can't click on "derived from" and find the other (possibly better) derivations of the mesh.

Mostly, they think that most shoppers do not know how to use the product tree. This is one of the many reasons that I wish new users were given a task/tour about how to use the web catty.

And, to be fair:

(4) Other reasons that might make sense to them but will remain a mystery to the rest of us.


Thank you TheBratGirl,now I have it more clear why they do it,i didnt think about derived sales,well...still pisses me off,lol
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