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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about the operating of Pandora?????
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZaraKaine wrote:
You originally asked about sending people credits in order for them to buy your products, doing that excessively could be considered "gaming" which is grounds for disablement.


Asking friends to buy my products using my credits is not against term of services nor counted as botting or scripting, it's like a favor to ask a friend if they are willing to buy the product or just be theft and keep it.

Didn't force them to buy it nor threat them.

It was before this new update tho and my friend account was disabled under claim "bot / scripting" that's not even script or bot.

Why imvu would give a claim that can be under "bot / scripting" while it's not.

Everyone is freely what to do and what's done
If this case can be redefine or re-address might be smooth

willing to sacrifices my saving to hire a lawyer if that's needed to be done, because all now is just bs.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not talking about your friend's account. We are not allowed to discuss user punishments.

At the end of the day feel free to do what you like. You've been advised and if you get disabled then it's nobody's fault but your own.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZaraKaine wrote:
I'm not talking about your friend's account. We are not allowed to discuss user punishments.

At the end of the day feel free to do what you like. You've been advised and if you get disabled then it's nobody's fault but your own.


I honestly can be careless what's going happen I'd share the story and let public opinion goes into it.

Judging if what imvu did is right thing to my friend or not, since their policy reminder is just updated 5th of august.

I'd say take the punishment to other creators shall we?
or should i name publicly other creators did same bs and imvu did no sht?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Varsha wrote:
XxMissSnowyxX wrote:
I have a question in regards to this:

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Alter or interfere with IMVU's site, Products or operations by employment of 3rd party scripts, code, bots, etc.


So is it not allowed to use things like AdBlock to stop seeing the adverts?


Using Adblock is fine. That does not interfere with our internal systems or operation. It simply stops you from seeing ads.


ty for replying Varsha.. I was about to cry.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mox wrote:
ZaraKaine wrote:
I'm not talking about your friend's account. We are not allowed to discuss user punishments.

At the end of the day feel free to do what you like. You've been advised and if you get disabled then it's nobody's fault but your own.


I honestly can be careless what's going happen I'd share the story and let public opinion goes into it.

Judging if what imvu did is right thing to my friend or not, since their policy reminder is just updated 5th of august.

I'd say take the punishment to other creators shall we?
or should i name publicly other creators did same bs and imvu did no sht?


While the thread was created August 4th, what was quoted has been a part of the Terms of Service and has been in effect for years.

There has been no update or change.

This was just a 'reminder'.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SiNafay wrote:
Mox wrote:
ZaraKaine wrote:
I'm not talking about your friend's account. We are not allowed to discuss user punishments.

At the end of the day feel free to do what you like. You've been advised and if you get disabled then it's nobody's fault but your own.


I honestly can be careless what's going happen I'd share the story and let public opinion goes into it.

Judging if what imvu did is right thing to my friend or not, since their policy reminder is just updated 5th of august.

I'd say take the punishment to other creators shall we?
or should i name publicly other creators did same bs and imvu did no sht?


While the thread was created August 4th, what was quoted has been a part of the Terms of Service and has been in effect for years.

There has been no update or change.

This was just a 'reminder'.

The reminder didn't state anything against your friends wills* if they bought your products over other 1million+ products as result reason of my friend was banned cause of "bots / scripting" such false statement
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What about the operating of Pandora?????


How does Pandora relate to IMVU? This post is about reminders of IMVU policy. Too my knowledge Pandora is a third party website unrelated to IMVU. Unless we can somehow operate Pandora within IMVU - something I have not seen.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mox wrote:
SiNafay wrote:
Mox wrote:
ZaraKaine wrote:
I'm not talking about your friend's account. We are not allowed to discuss user punishments.

At the end of the day feel free to do what you like. You've been advised and if you get disabled then it's nobody's fault but your own.


I honestly can be careless what's going happen I'd share the story and let public opinion goes into it.

Judging if what imvu did is right thing to my friend or not, since their policy reminder is just updated 5th of august.

I'd say take the punishment to other creators shall we?
or should i name publicly other creators did same bs and imvu did no sht?


While the thread was created August 4th, what was quoted has been a part of the Terms of Service and has been in effect for years.

There has been no update or change.

This was just a 'reminder'.

The reminder didn't state anything against your friends wills* if they bought your products over other 1million+ products as result reason of my friend was banned cause of "bots / scripting" such false statement


*mod hat off*

Here's an idea - come by sales honestly. No matter whether you're using bots, or giving credits to 'friends' to purchase your product, you're trying to game the system. Come by your sales honestly. If you aren't getting sales, find out why. Is it your marketing? Is it your product page? Is it the kind and quality of your derives or products that you are creating?

There are ways to fix each of these issues, that are perfectly within the system.

When you come right down to it - Risk vs. reward. Do you value your creator account enough to risk trying to game the system to be bigger - artificially? The best creators on this site do things honestly. They do not need tricks to get sales, or to improve. If you try to game the system, you can (and very likely will) get caught. The question you have to ask yourself is: "is it worth it?"

Finally, you can proclaim all day that your friend lost their account and 'did nothing wrong'. We cannot know that. We cannot verify that. Even if we could, there is nothing for us to do about it. That is between your friend and IMVU. I'll be the first one to note that CS does make mistakes - because they do.

The thing is: If your friend was indeed treated unfairly, they should be able to prove that to CS. It will take time, it will be frustrating, but they will be able to prove their innocence in the end, if it is worth enough to them.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rum4U wrote:
LordRiccardo wrote:
What about the operating of Pandora?????


How does Pandora relate to IMVU? This post is about reminders of IMVU policy. Too my knowledge Pandora is a third party website unrelated to IMVU. Unless we can somehow operate Pandora within IMVU - something I have not seen.


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No she means Visnova's Pandora avatars and program that runs with IMVU, to enable creators to use those special avatars to make poses to sell. And yes, I'd like to know if that's still ok to use.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Finally, you can proclaim all day that your friend lost their account and 'did nothing wrong'. We cannot know that. We cannot verify that. Even if we could, there is nothing for us to do about it. That is between your friend and IMVU. I'll be the first one to note that CS does make mistakes - because they do.

The thing is: If your friend was indeed treated unfairly, they should be able to prove that to CS. It will take time, it will be frustrating, but they will be able to prove their innocence in the end, if it is worth enough to them.


It's easy to get 50 friends a real people not "bots/scripts" to do what they want to do it's their wills if they want to purchase my friend products or kept credits for them, it's frustrating because it was a false statement "bots / scripts" as system assumed there's over 60k people on imvu getting 50 real people is easy as drinking water

I can verify that If i have tools to do so,
watch over these 20-30 people they usually online same time or different time, difference region, ip addresses, states and lastly counties, timing in purchase the product, all data collection to make a final decision.

Frustrating part my friend did that because gifting system did change,
probably 19-30 i don't know the exact numbers, gifting system isn't great according to another friend of mine is a creator.

It can easily get your account disabled after sending 100~150 your own product to your friends.

So you guys trying to milk peoples wallets to buy credits, there's those who can't even afford money to buy credits to buy our products without spending our own earned up credits?

this is no sense of humanity nor an intelligence here.
I easily can spend 500k credits on 1,000 friends I will give them optional choice of buying a product that I own or other creators products
so what you will do or system do about that if their choice to buy my product?

You or system of imvu can't control what humans want or what they want to do as picking up a nicely product done or 1million useless products to have, i do admit there's plenty of nice products in store but there's also useless products out there.

Let's put this as an instances:
If I have a well done product and then my friends will compare it to useless products as they have x amount that i shared with them,
Their choice might be my products over poorly made socks products.

I wouldn't blame them nor insult these products for being made, it's learning progress even if it's not that great,
It's human nature to pick up something worth picking up then something is just not professionally done.

I'd give a real life example:
You have $500 you will go to walmart or any technology store
in walmart is cheap for instance a product you want for 400$ without a box accessories and warranty for 1 year, in other hand in the technology store they offer same product for 499$ with box and accessories also warranty for 3 years.

Where you'd buy the product from?
A) A walmart
B) Technology store

For me I'd pick up B over A, because I want to feel that warranty and accessories is worth getting it's just 99$ more for it.
Yes it might be over spending, which this case 1 year warranty these days is just useless, to backup the fact that walmart will charge you extra once if your product was damaged to send it back to the technology store.

but if you bought the product from technology store they will repair it for you for free cause you warranty coverage and you're their customer
That's way they care about their customers.

Now let's get back into virtual products.
Let's put this as instances
A) Product worth 499credits nicely professionally done.
B) Another product worth same amount newly and not professionally done.

let's see your own opinion about it
I'd go professionally done over not professionally.
I can backup the facts that over 4k - 10k people would pick up professionally done, unless someone's just blind to see the differences.


So let's get back into the example cases here.
If I influenced real people around 1000 people that i gave my credits to optionally pick up a product i own or other professional creators or keep it for themselves.

So what if these thousand of people did choice my products over saving or buying from other creators?
Will system disable me? I know the answer is yes it will consider as what happened to my friend right? "bot/script" while these people are real humans

There's absolutely no rule said if your friends been influenced and bought your product that can cause you a disable forever.
Also there's no rule to control how humans behavior with their own decision nor you will force them to avoid buying my product nor other products for instance.

Cause this would be funny enough to experimental the reaction from imvu if i influenced 1,000 people to buy my product, risk is to get disable right?
reward is nothing

This is not an mmo to talk about risk vs rewards, this is a real business.
We learn we go to the top and earn, it's business we create to make imvu better but what imvu do to us? well you can see what they do to us, it's most likely less caring about opinion community opinion to their own decision in business.

No offense but it's true and sad to say that.

A quick reminder and notes:
It's not rule breaking if your friends choice your products over other ones.
it's not rule breaking if i said hey it's optional for you to buy my product over other poorly socks products.
Yes there's good products out there, I usually let my friends know this creator is good with product development and then compare it with poorly made socks made products, maybe they have products from other creators so they would pick up either my own product as an "example again", then spending on poorly made socks ones.

Over all if we'd argue for over up coming days, you will consider it as my fault for influence my friends to buy my products over useless ones,but in matter of fact no totally it's not my fault to influence them, it's fault of poorly made socks products.
I am not insulting or anything, let's be real here for once.
Even if we did a petition that reach 100k support, imvu won't care right?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Auntie wrote:
Rum4U wrote:
LordRiccardo wrote:
What about the operating of Pandora?????


How does Pandora relate to IMVU? This post is about reminders of IMVU policy. Too my knowledge Pandora is a third party website unrelated to IMVU. Unless we can somehow operate Pandora within IMVU - something I have not seen.


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No she means Visnova's Pandora avatars and program that runs with IMVU, to enable creators to use those special avatars to make poses to sell. And yes, I'd like to know if that's still ok to use.


VERY much curious about this, since I do own the program and all that jazz. Varsha can we get an answer to this please?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LordRiccardo wrote:
What about the operating of Pandora?????


That also does not interfere with our systems or processes and as such is not against our policies.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice to see these clarifications about Ad-block etc. Thanks Varsha Smile
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