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Should we have an opt-out for animated badges?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm not against this but the first post argument is based on health issues. IMVU has a rule to prevent people from doing this. If they are breaking the rules, report them. Simple as that. Fortunately I do not have any health problems associated with flashing pictures, but you could just not click on a person's profile if you don't know them?

I don't think IMVU will add this opt out option, just because, people didn't pay money for people not to see their animated badges. It's also not like badges are cheap either.


So ok just deny us a simple need for an opt-out because we really don't need profile cards? Is that it? It's a dang tool that all should have access to!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm not against this but the first post argument is based on health issues. IMVU has a rule to prevent people from doing this. If they are breaking the rules, report them. Simple as that. Fortunately I do not have any health problems associated with flashing pictures, but you could just not click on a person's profile if you don't know them?

I don't think IMVU will add this opt out option, just because, people didn't pay money for people not to see their animated badges. It's also not like badges are cheap either.


So ok just deny us a simple need for an opt-out because we really don't need profile cards? Is that it? It's a dang tool that all should have access to!


Read this and see how unfair this opt out would be: http://www.imvu.com/catalog/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpbb2&file=viewtopic.php&p=11678743#11678743
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Infuses wrote:
I'm not against this but the first post argument is based on health issues. IMVU has a rule to prevent people from doing this. If they are breaking the rules, report them. Simple as that. Fortunately I do not have any health problems associated with flashing pictures, but you could just not click on a person's profile if you don't know them?

I don't think IMVU will add this opt out option, just because, people didn't pay money for people not to see their animated badges. It's also not like badges are cheap either.


So ok just deny us a simple need for an opt-out because we really don't need profile cards? Is that it? It's a dang tool that all should have access to!


Read this and see how unfair this opt out would be: http://www.imvu.com/catalog/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpbb2&file=viewtopic.php&p=11678743#11678743
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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AwakenFire wrote:
Infuses wrote:
I'm not against this but the first post argument is based on health issues. IMVU has a rule to prevent people from doing this. If they are breaking the rules, report them. Simple as that. Fortunately I do not have any health problems associated with flashing pictures, but you could just not click on a person's profile if you don't know them?

I don't think IMVU will add this opt out option, just because, people didn't pay money for people not to see their animated badges. It's also not like badges are cheap either.


So ok just deny us a simple need for an opt-out because we really don't need profile cards? Is that it? It's a dang tool that all should have access to!


Read this and see how unfair this opt out would be: http://www.imvu.com/catalog/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpbb2&file=viewtopic.php&p=11678743#11678743


I don't see it as unfair at all because the badge seller sold or gave the badge to someone who wanted them. I am not the said someone therefore there is no lost of sale. Further more the badges do not need to be animated to create revenue for the badge creator. Even an opt-out on animated badges would still generate sales and thus still no loss to the badge creator because the badge is still serving its purpose to pull customers to the shop or other possibilities.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the opt out isn't to make others stop animating badges, it's to have the option for us, (not everyone else), our personal view to be frozen, we want to be able to stop the animation for us, not stop it for everyone, for us to say "yeah I can't handle the movement, make my personal view static" - why is that SO hard to understand... Rolling Eyes =^.^=
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Infuses wrote:
AwakenFire wrote:
Infuses wrote:
I'm not against this but the first post argument is based on health issues. IMVU has a rule to prevent people from doing this. If they are breaking the rules, report them. Simple as that. Fortunately I do not have any health problems associated with flashing pictures, but you could just not click on a person's profile if you don't know them?

I don't think IMVU will add this opt out option, just because, people didn't pay money for people not to see their animated badges. It's also not like badges are cheap either.


So ok just deny us a simple need for an opt-out because we really don't need profile cards? Is that it? It's a dang tool that all should have access to!


Read this and see how unfair this opt out would be: http://www.imvu.com/catalog/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpbb2&file=viewtopic.php&p=11678743#11678743


I don't see it as unfair at all because the badge seller sold or gave the badge to someone who wanted them. I am not the said someone therefore there is no lost of sale. Further more the badges do not need to be animated to create revenue for the badge creator. Even an opt-out on animated badges would still generate sales and thus still no loss to the badge creator because the badge is still serving its purpose to pull customers to the shop or other possibilities.


I'm not talking about badge sales. I use my clickbaity badge as advertisement for my shop. Even though mine is not animated, other creators badges are. When you put my badge on your profile, you are essentially advertising for me. Hence, why almost every free badge has a link to the owners shop. So if another user clicked on a persons profile wearing my badge, and they couldn't see the animated badge. That's a loss for me
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the opt out isn't to make others stop animating badges, it's to have the option for us, (not everyone else), our personal view to be frozen, we want to be able to stop the animation for us, not stop it for everyone, for us to say "yeah I can't handle the movement, make my personal view static" - why is that SO hard to understand... Rolling Eyes =^.^=


The thread is so one minded. Think about the loss animated badge owners would have. They couldn't have the entire world see their badges, just the people who haven't opt out. Like I'm saying, why don't you guys fight for slower frame rate. As that seems to be the real issue. This way animated badge owners still show off their animated content and health issues arising from this has been reduced
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the opt out isn't to make others stop animating badges, it's to have the option for us, (not everyone else), our personal view to be frozen, we want to be able to stop the animation for us, not stop it for everyone, for us to say "yeah I can't handle the movement, make my personal view static" - why is that SO hard to understand... Rolling Eyes =^.^=


The thread is so one minded. Think about the loss animated badge owners would have. They couldn't have the entire world see their badges, just the people who haven't opt out. Like I'm saying, why don't you guys fight for slower frame rate. As that seems to be the real issue. This way animated badge owners still show off their animated content and health issues arising from this has been reduced



What is it you don't understand? Your badges would still be viewable even by those of us who need or prefer an opt-out. Your badges would still function as they are suppose to. The badges would simply be static but still clickable. Your shop would still be accessed through the badge regardless if an opt-out is in use or not! So No loss to you at all!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The thread is so one minded. Think about the loss animated badge owners would have. They couldn't have the entire world see their badges, just the people who haven't opt out. Like I'm saying, why don't you guys fight for slower frame rate. As that seems to be the real issue. This way animated badge owners still show off their animated content and health issues arising from this has been reduced


If your badge causes me physical harm will I be looking at it anyway? No, no I will not. So, where is the huge loss to badge makers?

That's the actual point...some users cannot view avatar cards because of the animated badges.

If we were allowed to "still" the badges then at least we'd still look at badges...thus, the badge maker would get MORE visibility; not less.

Also, if you read the OP you would understand that the issue is not individual badges. The issue is a collection of animated badges (which can completely comply with the TOS individually) moving at different speeds on a badge canvas. They can trigger headaches, nausea, etc. no matter what the frame rate each individual badge is set at.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't see it as unfair at all because the badge seller sold or gave the badge to someone who wanted them. I am not the said someone therefore there is no lost of sale. Further more the badges do not need to be animated to create revenue for the badge creator. Even an opt-out on animated badges would still generate sales and thus still no loss to the badge creator because the badge is still serving its purpose to pull customers to the shop or other possibilities.

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I'm not talking about badge sales. I use my clickbaity badge as advertisement for my shop. Even though mine is not animated, other creators badges are. When you put my badge on your profile, you are essentially advertising for me. Hence, why almost every free badge has a link to the owners shop. So if another user clicked on a persons profile wearing my badge, and they couldn't see the animated badge. That's a loss for me

AwakenFire:
Part bolded of my comment pretty much covers your response!

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AwakenFire wrote:
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LizzieBorden wrote:
the opt out isn't to make others stop animating badges, it's to have the option for us, (not everyone else), our personal view to be frozen, we want to be able to stop the animation for us, not stop it for everyone, for us to say "yeah I can't handle the movement, make my personal view static" - why is that SO hard to understand... Rolling Eyes =^.^=


The thread is so one minded. Think about the loss animated badge owners would have. They couldn't have the entire world see their badges, just the people who haven't opt out. Like I'm saying, why don't you guys fight for slower frame rate. As that seems to be the real issue. This way animated badge owners still show off their animated content and health issues arising from this has been reduced



What is it you don't understand? Your badges would still be viewable even by those of us who need or prefer an opt-out. Your badges would still function as they are suppose to. The badges would simply be static but still clickable. Your shop would still be accessed through the badge regardless if an opt-out is in use or not! So No loss to you at all!


If the badge is static, there is STILL a loss to badge makers. Like I said, they paid for people to see animated badges, not a static. Still a loss. Animated badges catch more eyes than a static. badge. If a person had their entire badge plate filled with static badge and one small badge which moved. People would recognize the moving badge first.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm not talking about badge sales. I use my clickbaity badge as advertisement for my shop. Even though mine is not animated, other creators badges are. When you put my badge on your profile, you are essentially advertising for me. Hence, why almost every free badge has a link to the owners shop. So if another user clicked on a persons profile wearing my badge, and they couldn't see the animated badge. That's a loss for me


You are demonstrating a complete lack of empathy and understanding here. The opt out doesn't stop a badge from being shown to a person. The opt out stop the animation of the badge from being shown so that the image is locked on one single frame from that amination there fore the badge is still shown. Suggest you go and wonder around a billion and one sites that already offer up such an option they are not blank pages they just show the single framed image. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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If your badge causes me physical harm will I be looking at it anyway? No, no I will not. So, where is the huge loss to badge makers?

This thread is essentially saying "opt out of ALL animated badges even those causing no physical harm". Therefore, those badge makers making slow/non-flashy badges will be at loss. There you go, there's your huge loss. Also those who who bought say a 1 tile badge that is animated can fit multiple things in it (example, instead of a static badge saying "love" an animated badge of 1 tile badge can fit, it says "I love you so much" because of its changing frames).

TheBratGirl wrote:
Also, if you read the OP you would understand that the issue is not individual badges. The issue is a collection of animated badges (which can completely comply with the TOS individually) moving at different speeds on a badge canvas. They can trigger headaches, nausea, etc. no matter what the frame rate each individual badge is set at.

If this is the case, why not have a mono-tone movement. Meaning all badges change at the same time at a slowed speed (slower than 3 flashes per second)
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If your badge causes me physical harm will I be looking at it anyway? No, no I will not. So, where is the huge loss to badge makers?

This thread is essentially saying "opt out of ALL animated badges even those causing no physical harm". Therefore, those badge makers making slow/non-flashy badges will be at loss. There you go, there's your huge loss. Also those who who bought say a 1 tile badge that is animated can fit multiple things in it (example, instead of a static badge saying "love" an animated badge of 1 tile badge can fit, it says "I love you so much" because of its changing frames).


Again, it's not about individual badges. Individual badges can be flagged if they do not follow the TOS/PSE guidelines. It is the cumulative effect of the badge canvas.

Users this affects are probably not seeing ANY badges (stilled or animated) because of the risk...because they are avoiding badges/badge canvases altogether.

And, frankly, I would hope that the average user/badge creator, when given the choice, would choose their fellow users health and safety and not be bent out of shape over a handful of people seeing badges stilled due to health reasons.


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Also, if you read the OP you would understand that the issue is not individual badges. The issue is a collection of animated badges (which can completely comply with the TOS individually) moving at different speeds on a badge canvas. They can trigger headaches, nausea, etc. no matter what the frame rate each individual badge is set at.

If this is the case, why not have a mono-tone movement. Meaning all badges change at the same time at a slowed speed (slower than 3 flashes per second)


So, instead of a cheap and easy fix...a fix that the coding already exists for...a fix that would affect only a handful of users...you want IMVU to create and entirely new system for animating badges...one that would take control out of the badge creator's hands...one that would probably ruin the effect of a lot of existing badges...one that would probably require uploading individual frames to this new system (to ensure that the timing was perfectly timed and synced)...this huge endeavor (of which the cost would be passed along to us, the users) is more acceptable to you than having a small percentage of users seeing a still badge over an animated one?

Well, in the client...because most of us know how to still animated images in our browsers.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Infuses wrote:

This thread is essentially saying "opt out of ALL animated badges even those causing no physical harm". Therefore, those badge makers making slow/non-flashy badges will be at loss. There you go, there's your huge loss. Also those who who bought say a 1 tile badge that is animated can fit multiple things in it (example, instead of a static badge saying "love" an animated badge of 1 tile badge can fit, it says "I love you so much" because of its changing frames).


Badge makers should be 100% behind the opt out. At this point in time the people who are asking for the opt out do not pull up avi cards. Therefore they are not seeing anyone's badges. They do not see the static ones They are not viewing the animated ones. Anyone who is hopeful that users will click on their badges to get to the catalog are already experiencing a loss. These people are already not seeing YOUR badge. They will NEVER see the badge you created until an opt out is offered up.

Allowing the users who want it to have this opt out would make avi cards safe to view for everyone on this site. That would increase the number of people who can again display badges on their cards Increasing the odds that more people will see your badge, visit your shop and possibly request your badge.

P.S. ~I have a program that has stopped the animation on the badges but it is for the website only. So I am already NOT seeing any animated badges here in the forums.

P.P.S. ~ A slower frame rate would still not work. Since vision issues could still be caused by having two or more slower badges that were not synced to go at the same time.


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