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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:36 am    Post subject: Re: Confederate Flag - Not Okay on IMVU Reply with quote

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I'd just like to point out something here that you mentioned. The First Amendment applies to the federal government, and as I'm sure you know IMVU is a private business.

The First Amendment does not apply here.


Exactly; the First Amendment does not give anyone the right to publish anything they want, on a private service, such as IMVU. It seems like often times people forget that IMVU is a private company.

Interesting argument concerning the US flag, but it's not really been an issue of late and the Confederate flag has been an issue.

Those of you that argue that the Civil War was fought over states rights and not slavery are missing the point that one of the central issues that southern states wanted to maintain the right over, was the right to keep other human beings as property. Yes it was economic, as they relied on free/cheap labor that the slave provided. Not completely unlike it is today. The difference is that now we keep our cheap labor outside our borders. I guess that's another topic for another day.

I do know that many people who like to fly the Confederate flag are not trying to say anything other than, I'm proud to be southern. This is all fine, but they need to understand that it means something very different to many other people.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:37 am    Post subject: Re: Confederate Flag - Not Okay on IMVU Reply with quote

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AnnieGottaGun wrote:
Rum4U wrote:

I'd just like to point out something here that you mentioned. The First Amendment applies to the federal government, and as I'm sure you know IMVU is a private business.

The First Amendment does not apply here.



Why do you show so much hatred towards that flag?? Did it jump up and smack you upside the head one too many times? Huh?


I was pointing out that the First Amendment does not apply to private businesses.

I'd like to remind everyone - in the forums we are supposed to attack issues and not people.



Rum4U is correct...on both counts.

The First Amendment (well, the entire Bill of Rights, actually) only applies to the government (Federal, and also to the States via the 14th Amendment).

IMVU is not a government entity.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:57 am    Post subject: CaN I but rebel yell by billy Idol at least?!! Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Confederate flag was not mean't to be racial in the first place. It was a symbol of Southern heritage. I believe that the removal of this "symbol" on IMVU is utterly ridiculous. You are taking away peoples heritage and how they can express themselves. Not everyone is going to blankly use it as a racial pun against people. As others posting replys on your decision (TonyTitain, Nick, xXPhsycoSadistXx, SilkySweet, Fel0nie, and probably many many more) All have come to an agreement without even talking to each other. If you are going to remove one flag because of some stupid thing that was a part of Americas history you might as well remove all of the other flag symbols off IMVU. It would be highly inappropriate because if you are taking one flag from history off IMVU why not have to remove all of the flags. I am sure many people agree with me. I am not even Southern and I am protecting a flag that I very much enjoy. The removal of this flag in my mind makes it seem as the not southern states are more superior than the southern ones.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:14 am    Post subject: Re: Confederate Flag - Not Okay on IMVU Reply with quote

AnnieGottaGun wrote:
Really?? Then stop reading topics about it.


How about people stop making new topics about it and just post here? We seriously don't need multiple threads in each forum about this.

I used to sympathise with the "don't ban the flag" side, but now I'm just fed up seeing the same topic being brought up over and over again when we have an official thread here for it.

Furthermore, it's done. This doesn't look like something Imvu is going to back down on, much like the reseller issue. They had the right to ban the flag if that's what they wanted.

What's funny to me is that some of the people who want to force Imvu to host and sell certain content also believe that businesses should be legally allowed to discriminate against certain people based on their religious beliefs. So businesses can't choose what they sell, but they can sure as hell choose who they sell it to? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not in any way support this decision. Thanks IMVU for falling into the hands of the NAACP and helping to destroy something I grew up around that obviously wasn't used for hate but by a select morons who are severely under-educated. You can't change history. You can't. I'm on the Liberal spectrum but I find this move extremely offensive! This same crap is happening in my home town. They're removing everything and replacing statues and building names in a shoddy attempt to erase the past. They're even removing the graves of Nathan Bedford Forest and his wife! How bloody offensive is that? People like you are part of the problem by keeping it alive. No one owes anyone anything, especially apologies. I'm deeply sickened that IMVU would do this. Long live the rebel flag.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a decision IMVU has recently made that I can actually say I support..
those of you who want to whine and cry all day about how the Confederate flag never represented racist or prejudiced ideals.. get a grip- because that's not true.
Good riddance.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:35 am    Post subject: Re: Confederate Flag - Not Okay on IMVU Reply with quote

Varsha wrote:
We just made this announcement on our blog and sharing it via forums as well - along with further details.

What happened last week in a church in Charleston, SC shocked everyone not just in that community but also across the nation - including us here at IMVU. The tragic event prompted a renewed outcry against display of symbols like the Confederate flag which represent darker periods in US history. The South Carolina legislature is already considering removal of the flag from state government buildings, and if they do so, such removal will signal a move forward for all involved.

Meanwhile, many etailers and retailers like Amazon, Walmart, eBay, Etsy, Target, have taken a stance against the confederate flag and what it symbolizes for many - the list is growing. IMVU is joining them today. It is the right thing to do and we are confident our community will support this move.

We at IMVU have always supported creativity and self-expression of our community members. The "be who you want to be" principle inspires the sheer variety of content seen in our virtual catalog, chat rooms, and user profiles. Creating a positive social experience for ALL customers is also critical to our mission. Balancing the two can be challenging but we want to ensure our experience is fun and safe for all our members, irrespective of their race, nationality, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, and skin color. Our policies take a firm stance against hate products and we believe products that feature confederate flag images fall squarely under that category. As such, effective immediately, we are taking steps to remove all such products from our shop for future sales. Having user-generated content means the effort will not initially be 100% accurate and we will invite our community members to help with the effort by reporting such content to us going forward. Products featuring confederate flag imagery will no longer be accepted into or sold from our catalog.

So what does this mean in terms of our virtual catalog?


Starting today, we will be hiding and locking products that fall under this category. These will not be re-rated i.e. they will not be removed from accounts that have purchased them and there will not be any refunds issued to purchasers or deducted from creators.

We realize we are unlikely to find every single such product in our vast catalog. For the next 30 days, if our community members flag these products we will take a similar action on them - hide and lock versus re-rate. The creators or purchasers of such products will not face any action.

After 30 days, we will start treating these products as UFI (Unfit for IMVU) and treat them accordingly.

Please do NOT flag such content as we are taking action against them ourselves - and NO action is being taken against the creators, There is no need to go hunting for these products in order to flag them. That is not the intent of this. If you happen to encounter them feel free to flag and for the next 30 days we will continue to simply lock and hide such products.

What about content outside of the catalog?

Room images, profile photos, badges etc including imagery of the Confederate flag will be deemed inappropriate. Such content will be handled as part of our flagging process and will be removed without any punitive action against the account.

What is the imagery exactly?

You can find example of products from our catalog here:




REMINDERS:

This is an announcement and open to discussion however please ensure you comply with our site policies and forum guidelines.

Expressing your opinion is okay - hate speech is not.

Naming and shaming is not okay - especially toward people who might have purchased or created these products.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:06 am    Post subject: Re: Confederate Flag - Not Okay on IMVU Reply with quote

Calypsio wrote:
AnnieGottaGun wrote:
Really?? Then stop reading topics about it.


How about people stop making new topics about it and just post here? We seriously don't need multiple threads in each forum about this.

Rolling Eyes


In case you have forgotten, this topic in this section had been closed for quite some time, and only recently reopened. Where were people supposed to post about it? Of course they would start new topics since this MAIN one had been locked.

Don't like the topic, don't read it, simple as that.

And you are right. Many people whine about things they don't agree with. That's life.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:08 am    Post subject: Re: Confederate Flag - Not Okay on IMVU Reply with quote

Rum4U wrote:
AnnieGottaGun wrote:
Rum4U wrote:

I'd just like to point out something here that you mentioned. The First Amendment applies to the federal government, and as I'm sure you know IMVU is a private business.

The First Amendment does not apply here.



Why do you show so much hatred towards that flag?? Did it jump up and smack you upside the head one too many times? Huh?


I was pointing out that the First Amendment does not apply to private businesses.

I'd like to remind everyone - in the forums we are supposed to attack issues and not people.


Oh that's right. Thanks for the reminder.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

xXPsychoSadistXx wrote:
Since IMVU is removing one flag why not remove all flags including the American Flag as it should represent hate towards the millions of Native Americans that was unjustly slaughtered for their land for America to become what it is now. A P.O.S country that is intentionally dividing it's people into categories. The removal of one flag that is found offensive should mean the removal of all flags.



exactly xXPsychoSadistXx
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

seems a bit silly removing the confederate flag from everything So to keep cartain things safe I will not mention any products for IMVU to find because some things need it
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Confederate Flag - Not Okay on IMVU Reply with quote

AnnieGottaGun wrote:
In case you have forgotten, this topic in this section had been closed for quite some time, and only recently reopened. Where were people supposed to post about it? Of course they would start new topics since this MAIN one had been locked.


They were supposed to post about it in the off topic forum; there were several threads about it there. There was no reason to keep making new topics in other forums about it.

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Don't like the topic, don't read it, simple as that.


I don't read those threads. What I am fed up of seeing, are multiple threads of the same topic being posted over and over, clogging up the forums and bumping down other relevant threads. We don't need that.

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And you are right. Many people whine about things they don't agree with. That's life.


By all means, they should continue to whine if they want to - but in the "designated whining thread" here or the one in the OT forum.

Also question for staff, has the process of removing confederate flag items been completed yet? Because I'm still seeing some.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Confederate Flag - Not Okay on IMVU Reply with quote

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Exactly ..Now if it was the American flag imvu couldn say squat .. But I mean if imvu wants to break the first Amendment in the Constitution then this site wont last long an will be shut down ..becareful imvu you already have the better business bureau watching you ..but back to the matter at hand ..The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression from government interference. See U.S. Const. amend. I. Freedom of expression consists of the rights to freedom of speech, press, assembly and to petition the government for a redress of grievances, and the implied rights of association and belief. The Supreme Court interprets the extent of the protection afforded to these rights. The First Amendment has been interpreted by the Court as applying to the entire federal government even though it is only expressly applicable to Congress. Furthermore, the Court has interpreted, the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment as protecting the rights in the First Amendment from interference by state governments.


I'd just like to point out something here that you mentioned. The First Amendment applies to the federal government, and as I'm sure you know IMVU is a private business.

The First Amendment does not apply here.




No it is not my friend ..imvu is just like second life and there.com I suggest you do your reasearch
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Confederate Flag - Not Okay on IMVU Reply with quote

MaheeganSpiritWolf wrote:
Rum4U wrote:
MaheeganSpiritWolf wrote:
Exactly ..Now if it was the American flag imvu couldn say squat .. But I mean if imvu wants to break the first Amendment in the Constitution then this site wont last long an will be shut down ..becareful imvu you already have the better business bureau watching you ..but back to the matter at hand ..The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression from government interference. See U.S. Const. amend. I. Freedom of expression consists of the rights to freedom of speech, press, assembly and to petition the government for a redress of grievances, and the implied rights of association and belief. The Supreme Court interprets the extent of the protection afforded to these rights. The First Amendment has been interpreted by the Court as applying to the entire federal government even though it is only expressly applicable to Congress. Furthermore, the Court has interpreted, the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment as protecting the rights in the First Amendment from interference by state governments.


I'd just like to point out something here that you mentioned. The First Amendment applies to the federal government, and as I'm sure you know IMVU is a private business.

The First Amendment does not apply here.




No it is not my friend ..imvu is just like second life and there.com I suggest you do your reasearch


IMVU is not like Second Life, or the former There.com

Furthermore, Second Life is also a private business.

Either way, IMVU is definitely not a part of the government so again the First Amendment does not apply.
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