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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still waiting on the opt out.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Still waiting on the opt out.


Same here!
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like others have said.. it's the weekend. So hopefully.. come Monday.. we will hear from the powers that be, what they are suggesting as far as the issues that have recently been addressed.

Surely in 48 hours they must be able to come to some solution that will work in the benefit of the whole community instead of a solution that solves nothing.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something else that is making me think that this coding is already there and is able to identify things for what they are.

We already know about products bought.. and how images are not animated unless the mouse moves into the area. (Which I think should be changed.. but that's another topic.)

We have Photo Stream.. this is something that can be accessed via the client or can be accessed via the web.

The client can already detect if a product is AP or GA.. because if you are wearing an AP product, it won't let you take a picture.

This is making me think that if there was an Opt Out for the animated badges.. that this animation might be able to carry over to the web as well.

If it can't.. that's really not an issue.. because there are plenty of addon's or settings that users can use to not view these animated icons.

I really don't know the extent of the crossover to be able to say it would work like this for certain.. but it could be something worth looking into as well.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No one would have to leave if IMVU followed the PSE guidelines about contrasting images in their own TOS either (see my previous post). No one is asking for animation to go away, just to have an option for them not to see it. That's really not a lot to ask and IMO it is meeting in the middle. Those who like the animation can keep it, those who cannot/do not want to see it don't have to.

As for taking time off the game as the disclaimer suggests, as I and others have stated, it is not a matter of how long one has been on, it is a matter of pulling a card and in 1-2 seconds having a PSE or other attack. This means someone like Mercuria, Auntie and other can sign on, 2 minutes later pull a card, and be down for hours/days/weeks.

If large gaming companies can follow guidelines for disabled users, than so can IMVU. Opt-out is and will remain the safest and fairest option.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I know nobody minds or respects the tos but at least respect that Varsha just made her announcement, and now you think she needs to rethink it? and come to another answer or conclusion for you , she just made it, it wasn't last year or 6 months ago. thanks


The only thing I will say to this.. before moving back to the topic at hand is something that I was taught and I hold close to my heart.

Respect is earned and not just freely given. I do not hold any ill will towards Varsha, because like that other wonderful saying, "Don't shoot the messenger."

I will still my fingers when someone can show me in the TOS where it says anything close to "You are not allowed to challenge the decisions made by IMVU."

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I am still going to hold out for maybe Monday we will hear what IMVU is going to do for the concerns that have been brought to the table. Because it's really a catch 22 in all respects.

Flag the badges that violate the VGP.. but in order to do so, you are going to have to be exposed to the flashing.

As also was previously mentioned.. I am just trying to figure out what IMVU is going to suggest as far as the chance of a whole canvas being filled with animated badges.

What if they all fall within the VGP.. but it's the combination of them all together that is the TOS violation?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just going to add, this thread should not be closed. Respecting someone's decision does not mean we cannot give additional feedback (which is what this thread is for). If IMVU felt the need to close the thread, they would have already. In which case, I would have only started one in the S&F forums on this matter. This is a discussion that needs to take place, and by not closing down this thread, IMVU has recognized that much at least.

I am well aware of the TOS on these and other matters. I do not need to go back and read it, I read it on a regular basis to look for changes. As a TOS abiding creator and member of the community, that is my responsibility. I do not take that responsibility as lightly as IMVU seems to when it comes to following their own TOS/guidelines.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something else that comes to mind and I really don't know if IMVU can do this or not.. I would think that they could but I could be wrong.

I wonder if they could set up the badges to maybe do:

1. Have a set frame rate.. this would at least ensure that they all would be flashing at the same rate.

Still doesn't address the issue of contrasting images.. but it would be a step in the right direction.

2. Limit where the animated badges could be shown. Maybe only allow then to show in the first 8 or the larger section.

This I don't think would really help in the client.. but it would offer some aid on the website at least. (But we already have a way to stop them all on the web @.@)

So maybe 2 isn't really an idea at all lol

Just some ideas i'm throwing out there that are on the top of my head.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No one would have to leave if IMVU followed the PSE guidelines about contrasting images in their own TOS either (see my previous post). No one is asking for animation to go away, just to have an option for them not to see it. That's really not a lot to ask and IMO it is meeting in the middle. Those who like the animation can keep it, those who cannot/do not want to see it don't have to.

As for taking time off the game as the disclaimer suggests, as I and others have stated, it is not a matter of how long one has been on, it is a matter of pulling a card and in 1-2 seconds having a PSE or other attack. This means someone like Mercuria, Auntie and other can sign on, 2 minutes later pull a card, and be down for hours/days/weeks.

If large gaming companies can follow guidelines for disabled users, than so can IMVU. Opt-out is and will remain the safest and fairest option.


Bolded by me.

This is exactly the case. IMVU is now passing itself off as a "game" and they are also trying to implement Unity (which most gamers know through Steam and other gaming sites, is a gamer developing tool), IMVU is trying to EXPAND as a "game" or to be more "gamer oriented". If they are REALLY serious about this, then they will have no other choice but to follow the guidelines for disabled users, as most large gaming companies.

When I saw J0Rl's card panel, that was more animation in 2 seconds than I had ever seen in a typical game. BTW thank you for proving many points brought out by doing that experiment. Even in most games you can set your settings to how bright, fast, etc. or opt-out of some settings, I do this on a regular basis when playing, so again, IMVU needs to get with it if they want to be a "game".

Also note that everyone has a disclaimer, is only there as a buffer, it can still be challenged. And I won't go into that, as it's against forum rules. But I think folks get the idea. Once challenged, as some gaming companies were, they then had to change their disclaimers. Not everyone reads disclaimers or Terms of Service, etc. How many folks actually READ the little TOS boxes that pop up after installing a new game or a game update (unlike IMVU many games do this after each update you have to accept the new TOS even if it's not changed), they just click "accept"? I am VERY guilty of it, and like most humans become lazy, as such there are many I am sure who do the same thing.

With saying that, not many are going to abide by the rules of creating animated badges. Let's face it having a card with a lot of animated badges that may all fit in with IMVU's rules, the card itself is against IMVU's TOS and VGP. As this has been pointed out time and time again.

Staff please, listen to your community and do what is right, and offer us an opt-out option on animated badges.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That might be something IMVU could implement too in regards to the animated badges.

Maybe having a setting that still allows them to be animated.. but have a frame rate setting.

I don't know if that could trigger an attack still or not.. even if the images were all dropped down to something like 1 frame per 15 seconds.

But I think in order to do something like that.. they might have to change the way the badges work as in having a universal set speed.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

XxMissSnowyxX wrote:
That might be something IMVU could implement too in regards to the animated badges.

Maybe having a setting that still allows them to be animated.. but have a frame rate setting.

I don't know if that could trigger an attack still or not.. even if the images were all dropped down to something like 1 frame per 15 seconds.

But I think in order to do something like that.. they might have to change the way the badges work as in having a universal set speed.


The frame-rate coding is implemented already, you can do that through client in your settings. Now, granted it's for the room.

Personally, I want an opt-out option, because of the card issues that J0Rl pointed out. Many badges on one card, each one abiding the IMVU's TOS and VGP, but yet together they also break the TOS and VGP because they are not in sync and moving at different paces, not to mention each has a different animation going on. IMVU could put in a rule to say "You can only have so many badges at once on the card..." but again, they say no UFI to be submitted into the catalog, we see how well those rules are followed -- NOT to mention even with flagging so many issues, I look at a card and get a headache -- no thanks. How do you flag a card?

Still, even with an opt-out option, implementing a frame rate option for others wouldn't be horrible either, if that's what they choose.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a feeling that may be the next step.. IMVU gives us a Flag Card option.

While that's a nice gesture and all (even if it's an empty one at best) people are still going to be exposed to the animations when they go to flag them.

Granted people could have friends do it.. but it still will not matter if the CS people say "These all fall within the safe realm.. even though we are ignoring the fact that it's ALL of them combined that is the issue."

You add an Opt Out of the animated badges and EVERYONE wins.. vs. this foolishness that they have going on now.

I guess I just like to see resolutions happen that are a happy medium.. where everyone wins in the end.

Instead of asking for a solution and getting treated like having a disability makes you a second class citizen with leprosy.

It's just boggles my mind.. you see things like this pop up and you see the true colors.

Instead of win / win situations.. we see hatred and animosity.

All I can say.. and I have said this before I believe on other threads.

The way you treat someone with a disability.. I hope with all that I am. That if you ever find yourself in the shoes of someone with a disability.

That you are treated better than those on here have had to endure.

I do not say this with vengeance.. I do not say this with anger.. I do not say this with animosity.

But I do hope that if you end up in their shoes.. that you are treated a LOT better than you treated them.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would love the Op-out option but if there are other ways to maybe hover over a badge and it lets is animate then that will work too, as long as it does animate everything at once while hovering over one badge.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Auntie wrote:
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I must ask Jorj1 to please end her example.
We are now one mod down due to a migraine caused by your badge panel. While people who read this forum will know to not look at your panel, others who do not read this forum may click on your DP in other forums to send you a message and be smacked in the eyes by the flashing. I'm not going anywhere near it.

@Staff, exactly HOW are we to flag a flashing badge panel when the very act of looking at the thing makes us ill?
How do we flag multiple badges, which individually may be within the rules, for being used in conjunction in a dangerous manner when it's the juxtaposition of the flashing that is the problem?

After seeing what it did to Merc, I'm not going anywhere near that panel because I'll have stabbing pain in my head for the rest of the day and night.

HOW are we to flag a flashing panel when there is no way to indicate that it's the flashing that's a problem?

What even is the POINT of flagging it when we know from experience with Flashing DPs that cs will just check it for AP content and not realise that the flashing is the issue?

Every time I flag a flashing DP I spend the rest of the day with a Migraine. Very few of those images are ever taken down even after help tickets are file. CS just flag them again, and someone checks them again for AP content. I've given up on it because it's a waste of my time.

IMVU's 'answer' to the problem is completely impossible. It's similar to Nelson reputedly putting his telescope to his blind eye so that he could honestly say that he didn't see the signal.
As there is no way to flag a flashing badge panel there can be no flags, so waiting to see how many are flagged is pointless.


Dear Mercuria and Auntie,

I have taken down my fully animated badge panel and my sincere apologies to Mercuria for causing you to be unwell with a migraine.

My apologies also to you Auntie and any other user who may have been distressed at the thought of another person being physically harmed.

This was always going to be a fly by night experiment and not left up for days and days however I understand that others in the rest of the forums would be unaware and could be caused harm as well.

This is an abhorrent result which I am not proud of at all but was so angry and distressed about the No Opt Out yet again, I felt I needed to get my point across even with the large warning posted.

If anything, now I shall screenshot that panel for future reference so Varsha can explain how in the hell ANYONE can flag a singular badge which is in non compliance with the TOS when the entire panel is full of Animated Badges.
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