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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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thats just it IM PROUD of what my AMERICA an the TAXES has done all the programs they provide for AMERICANS


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That's great Smile Some people can be so anti-tax, they don't understand the good it does for our countries.

I'm sure you will also understand though why as a British citizen, I want to pay British taxes to improve the UK, and not American taxes where I do not live.

I want my taxes to help the NHS, for example. I can't do that if 30% of my money is taken away by the IRS.

It's just annoying that everyone is assumed to be American if they earn money from an American company by the IRS, and we have to prove otherwise so our money isn't taxed by the wrong country (if taxed at all).
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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omg ppl now stop beeing so naive.... this was imvu buisness made decision lol . they decided to make more cash cant really blame them on that they want too lol this is there buisness how ever its been done without caring much about users, now to be able to do so they had to get rid of the resellers obviously so they can controll the credit and its value again , and they could not do so without starting to pay taxes.. and THIS is where the IRS and tax law comes in .. is not a rocket sience what happened here lol they decided it some time last year that this will happen and they should go for it .. looked in to what they need to do and bam here we are down the road.


I think you are lacking understanding in what the IRS is in the US and how it works. These laws are rather binding --- not only IMVU is going thru this and it is in fact REQUIRED of them. As it was of Second Life and so on; who also made all these same changes. No more resellers, tax forms required for payouts, etc.
no darling i understand its binding lol its tax it works same way all over the world you have to pay it , but they decided to do this allready last year it wasnt like they didnt know this is gonna happen . obviously if you decide to pay out or buy anything you have to pay the tax , but irs came in after the decision made not before as some think here . personally i dont much care about it all i stated before im not at the bad end of the stick , im just very much amused how they keep ppl in dark and wanna look innocent at end like oh guys we just found out ... ZZZZ
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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LadyKonstantine wrote:
Question - Whys it always the American government that screw the rest of us over?

Thanks America! Very Happy


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Yeah, the 30% withholding is in case you are American. Providing those tax forms proves we are not American. If they don't have proof that we're not American, they will assume we are as we earned money through an American business.

It's annoying, but I'd rather submit the forms, prove I am British, and then not have 30% of my earned money go to the American tax authorities who have no right to have it. If my money needs to be taxed (may or may not, I could end up keeping it all), HM Revenues and Customs (the British tax authorities) should do it.

(I say this, though I do not earn money from IMVU, I only earn credits... but you guys know what I mean Razz)

So, yeah, looks like the US is clamping down so hard on tax evasion, they will automatically assume any one earning money from a US company (like IMVU) is American - and we have to prove them otherwise.


Talk about innocent till proven guilty lol....
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:17 am    Post subject: Re: Obviously IMVU fails at negotiations. Reply with quote

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@Lollirot I love your products, incidentally. I've been shopping with you on my alt account since joining 7 years back. You're one of my top recommended sellers for female gear.


- Wiggle blush - Why thank you. Sadly, until there are better answers such as if we may withdraw any designated by self amount over $50 . . . I am unable to for the time being create here. ;[


Honestly, they should not be designating a limit for cash withdrawal. You will not be permitted to have your money if you don't earn at least $50. That would essentially mean IMVU is giving you nothing for your creations.

From what I understand, they would also have the right to charge you for withdrawing more than once in a certain time frame... which I think should also be removed. If you earn money selling on eBay, you pay a percentage per Paypal transaction when you get paid. They don't withhold the payment until you earn a specific amount. I think if they want to change a policy, it should be along the same lines. No charge for any number of transactions and no limit the amounts to be withdrawn.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:17 am    Post subject: Re: Obviously IMVU fails at negotiations. Reply with quote

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5. Allow for the permanent deletion of our creations from catalog for copyright safety when we decide we hate your guts and wish to leave (while still allowing those who purchased to enjoy them).


That's called hiding the product.


It still remains in catalog when hidden. It's just not visible. Basically, I want it in writing that they have no rights to any product not visible.

Ah, sounds like a black market creator's paradise!

A product has to be in the catalogue for a customer to use it. If it's not in the catalogue, it's not hosted by IMVU.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

songzplz wrote:
LadyKonstantine wrote:
Question - Whys it always the American government that screw the rest of us over?

Thanks America! Very Happy



America has done right for me, YAY USA!! Wink

PS Americans pay TAXES to take care of AMERICANS...an the rest of the world apperently..



Totally off topic but the last comment? seriously? you take care of the rest of the world ??
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's so sad to see how you devs almost turned against each other. Some are boycotting and are hiding their products, trying to "fight" new changes and come up with ideas that would work for all, other - mostly big names popular devs make a point of putting pro pic with "Shop and derive, keep the catty alive".
Not even you can stand together and united and have a mutual goal - how can anyone expect IMVU to do it for all of you/us.

So sad...

As a simple customer... pretty much forced to stop caring about all of you and only wait and hope imvu comes up with good prices for credits, afordable and fast transfer like I had it with Cassiopeia.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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songzplz wrote:
thats just it IM PROUD of what my AMERICA an the TAXES has done all the programs they provide for AMERICANS


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That's great Smile Some people can be so anti-tax, they don't understand the good it does for our countries.

I'm sure you will also understand though why as a British citizen, I want to pay British taxes to improve the UK, and not American taxes where I do not live.

I want my taxes to help the NHS, for example. I can't do that if 30% of my money is taken away by the IRS.

It's just annoying that everyone is assumed to be American if they earn money from an American company by the IRS, and we have to prove otherwise so our money isn't taxed by the wrong country (if taxed at all).


that was in response to:
LadyKonstantine wrote:
Question - Whys it always the American government that screw the rest of us over?

Thanks America! Very Happy

,hopefully something can be done so u dont have any issues, BUT
lets not start bashing the USA if thats not off topic idk what is...
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's just annoying that everyone is assumed to be American if they earn money from an American company by the IRS, and we have to prove otherwise so our money isn't taxed by the wrong country (if taxed at all).


Thats because most Americans dont realise there's a whole world outside of their own country. They think everything begins and ends with the good ole U S of A
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:20 am    Post subject: Re: Obviously IMVU fails at negotiations. Reply with quote

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Lollirot wrote:
Castien wrote:
@Lollirot I love your products, incidentally. I've been shopping with you on my alt account since joining 7 years back. You're one of my top recommended sellers for female gear.


- Wiggle blush - Why thank you. Sadly, until there are better answers such as if we may withdraw any designated by self amount over $50 . . . I am unable to for the time being create here. ;[


Honestly, they should not be designating a limit for cash withdrawal. You will not be permitted to have your money if you don't earn at least $50. That would essentially mean IMVU is giving you nothing for your creations.

From what I understand, they would also have the right to charge you for withdrawing more than once in a certain time frame... which I think should also be removed. If you earn money selling on eBay, you pay a percentage per Paypal transaction when you get paid. They don't withhold the payment until you earn a specific amount. I think if they want to change a policy, it should be along the same lines. No charge for any number of transactions and no limit the amounts to be withdrawn.

It's PayPal that sets the transaction fees, not IMVU. Currently IMVU are covering them. If you want to have as many withdrawals as you want then IMVU won't be able to cover the fee.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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IMVU is no longer a simple 3D chat, it's a place where you lose money, you steal from people, you create a false life filled with gross acts, a place where you "make" money, gamble, and get scammed from.

Good job kids, you're now grown ups.[/size]


Just like the real world

Nothing is for "free" when you have to pay for it . They sound like the telephone sellsers that calls and congratulate you for getting a free offer you only have to pay 10$ for the transport.. Flashnews Imvu, thats not free.
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I think we all know this wont be changed so maybe we should start banding together and asking for cheaper credits. If they could give us the same rates as resellers that would be awesome. If we had to pay a little extra then what the resellers sold for then its still an improvement.

As i have said before meeting in the middle could really work wonders.


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IMVU is no longer a simple 3D chat, it's a place where you lose money, you steal from people, you create a false life filled with gross acts, a place where you "make" money, gamble, and get scammed from.

Good job kids, you're now grown ups.[/size]


Just like the real world

Nothing is for "free" when you have to pay for it . They sound like the telephone sellers that calls and congratulate you for getting a free offer you only have to pay 10$ for the transport.. Flashnews Imvu, thats not free.
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As i have said before meeting in the middle could really work wonders.


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I agree, I don't think we're going to go back to how things were before, but we can suggest ideas, compromises, options and so on Smile
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It's just annoying that everyone is assumed to be American if they earn money from an American company by the IRS, and we have to prove otherwise so our money isn't taxed by the wrong country (if taxed at all).


Thats because most Americans dont realise there's a whole world outside of their own country. They think everything begins and ends with the good ole U S of A


seems the whole planet is that way Laughing
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