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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The main reason I don't believe IMVU has to do this is because originally they said "Creators wanted this." When they realized they wouldn't be able to use creators as a scapegoat they then changed there story around.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My suggestions.


So now that Resellers are for want of a better term "extinct" and IMVU is the sole source of credits...

It's obvious that demand for their credits will increase because whether we want to admit or not a lot of IMVU users are going to end up buying from the Corporation because there is no other outlet.

What I would like IMVU to consider though because obviously they are not going to reconsider this move they made today (under the guise of compiling with new US Laws) is that as the sole source of credits now it would benefit all if you

1) lower the cost of your credits (As a higher demand would make this possible) It will also be a act of good will to the users and allow us to see that IMVU is not all about the bottom line and profit mongering (Yeah right!)

2) You have gotten rid of the competition so why not become "The Reseller" yourself and allow Content Creators to sell creds to you for a fair price in return (I know it was said in the announcement that IMVU has to be sure as to where the credits came from but wasn't this resolved when the pended payment policy came into effect? I know I have a lot of transactions of mine reversed when the customer bought my stuff with what IMVU termed "fraudulent credits" So I am certain you have ways to deal with that issue)

3)Set up some kind of currency exchange for your Members where by they can set their earnings to credits or real cash as per the new system but have the ability to switch it as the need arises for example if I have 1000K in creds but I want to use cash I can switch it using a standard rate that allows me to make my 1000K $0.40 as the case maybe and vice versa so it eliminates the issue of needing to use creds at one point or cash at another.

4) Do away with the predits cause now with this system where IMVU now has full control of the IMVU economy there is no rational for having them.

God knows how many of us have all those predits we never used due to the fact that we had to spend our real credits before we could get rid of them. And think about it with the new system there will be people who have both predits and real credits that they can't get dispose of in the manner they would like to or that would be satisfying to them.


and 5) Get rid of the Predits Metric for tiers because even before this new change it was an unfair metric cause nobody could spend them anyway except noobs just joining the site and have no idea how to shop.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Will IMVU become credit buyers? Will they buy credits from us at the same rate of .40/1k? If so, they I am fine.

But if not, I still want the resellers. I have never had to ever sell my credits, but only because I am a fairly new creator and newer artist who is improving. BUT STILL.

Imvu will turn the credits you earn into real money. Means there is no need of purchasing credits from us. You can opt out and in and change the way you get paid. Means if you need credits for submissions opt in for earning credits, once you got enough opt in for earning money directly.

The money you will receive will be .40/1k if you translate it into a value of credits.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As someone who can't really see myself being affected by this, I'm going to speak as a third party.

And all I have to say is the community is doing a great job with how they're handling this. The only way to get a company like IMVU to listen is to threaten the continued functionality of their service, many companies like IMVU ignore their consumer base and concentrate on the money, forgetting who has the real power to make change.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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EmeraldLagoon wrote:
Will IMVU become credit buyers? Will they buy credits from us at the same rate of .40/1k? If so, they I am fine.

But if not, I still want the resellers. I have never had to ever sell my credits, but only because I am a fairly new creator and newer artist who is improving. BUT STILL.

Imvu will turn the credits you earn into real money. Means there is no need of purchasing credits for you. You can opt out and in and change the way you get paid. Means if you need credits for submissions opt in for earning credits, once you got enough opt in for earning money directly.

The money you will receive will be .40/1k if you translate it into a value of credits.


Not sure if you have been reading anything of that has been said here so i will repeat it step by step for you. Especially since you are a mod, I feel that your post was really insulting ...

SOME PEOPLE EARN CR THROUGH OTHER MEANS THAN PRODUCT SELLING AND IMVU IS NOT FIXING THIS


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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InSilence wrote:
This is not going to change, this was the IRS there is no way out now.

They may be able to tweak a few things here and there, but the resellers are gone for good, and if real money is going to exchanged then it has to be reported.

I think we should focus our attention on suggestions to help with the things that can be tweaked. Stop going on about the ones that can't and won't be. It doesn't matter how many threads are up or even how many people leave.
Tax laws are just that LAWS that have to be followed.


Nailed it!


Agreed and I had to fill out tax information when I signed up with my reseller anyway. I got a statement every year and I had to claim my earnings here. This changes nothing as far as my earnings here go. Except Imvu is offering better than resellers. Not once did I get $40 for 100,000 from a reseller. I paid taxes on 35.. now I pay taxes on 40. Imvu didn't have a choice IMHO. This was coming and it's smart on their part. I am surprised there were resellers in the first place. Imvu should be making money on the credits. Everyone who leaves will be replaced. New people join everyday. Think about that before you leave. You are only hurting yourselves.



Hmm i remember how there used to be a million users online on imvu, now theres, what, 72,000 MAYBE?
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EliaDesigns wrote:
EmeraldLagoon wrote:
Will IMVU become credit buyers? Will they buy credits from us at the same rate of .40/1k? If so, they I am fine.

But if not, I still want the resellers. I have never had to ever sell my credits, but only because I am a fairly new creator and newer artist who is improving. BUT STILL.

Imvu will turn the credits you earn into real money. Means there is no need of purchasing credits from us. You can opt out and in and change the way you get paid. Means if you need credits for submissions opt in for earning credits, once you got enough opt in for earning money directly.

The money you will receive will be .40/1k if you translate it into a value of credits.


You're not getting the point... o.O I get they will turn the credits into real money for CREATORS. But not for artists. There are hundreds of artists out there as well.
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Hmm i remember how there used to be a million users online on imvu, now theres, what, 72,000 MAYBE?


Half that since the announcement.
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EliaDesigns wrote:
EmeraldLagoon wrote:
Will IMVU become credit buyers? Will they buy credits from us at the same rate of .40/1k? If so, they I am fine.

But if not, I still want the resellers. I have never had to ever sell my credits, but only because I am a fairly new creator and newer artist who is improving. BUT STILL.

Imvu will turn the credits you earn into real money. Means there is no need of purchasing credits for you. You can opt out and in and change the way you get paid. Means if you need credits for submissions opt in for earning credits, once you got enough opt in for earning money directly.

The money you will receive will be .40/1k if you translate it into a value of credits.


Not sure if you have been reading anything of that has been said here so i will repeat it step by step for you

SOME PEOPLE EARN CR THROUGH OTHER MEANS THAN SELLING AND IMVU IS NOT FIXING THIS


This post by the CEO says that they are working on how to address it.
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72,409 people online now from 89 different countries
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparator wrote:
I have a serious question for everyone. Would you completely quit IMVU if this issue remains unresolved? Or, What would you do?


The only thing this change affects with me, is the loss of resellers. I bought most of my credits through Cass (and plan to stock up more before she shuts her doors) - IMVU's prices are too high. I created as a hobby or when I had some sort of idea strike me. I'm not an elite pro creator, and I have never tried to be (many personal reasons for this on my part). I make stuff for myself, if it sold that's wonderful, and if not that's okay too. On rare occasions I may have a friend come to me and ask me to make a custom graphic, hp layout, or item. I am also in the process of setting all of my items in my catty to "Display Only", perhaps I'll work on some old stuff and make it better while all this fighting/bashing is going on

While I have no issues with being taxed for what one earns, if you surpass the set limit - that's just being a responsible adult. I simply do not trust IMVU with my personal information. And before anyone downs me for being AP and Age Verified, I got this just a few months after I joined IMVU (please note I've been a member since 2008), it wasn't required for me to send my personal info, because the name on the paypal account was ME, and that you have to be 18 or older to get, and to be verified with them, you have to have your bank account connected. Just like I remember when my ex-husband became AP and Age Verified, he needed ONLY his bank card, it was done. I'm all in support of Artists (DPs, Layouts, Badges, file sellers, etc.) for choosing to NOT do stickers (since that could STILL be capped) and cutting out IMVU altogether and using Paypal or whatever else they choose to use to collect their money.

My ONLY issue with this change has been the loss of resellers and closing the door to allow overseas folks to choose resellers to sell their credits too. To which I wonder, with this change, and IMVU's prices on credits, NOT to mention having to accumulate $50 before you can withdraw, possible overseas folks being charged 30% tax if they don't verify their tax info (or can't), or the chance that IMVU will charge $30 if you withdraw more than once a month --- Will this mean we will no longer see submission fees (this is NOT dev fees, those go to the meshers) from IMVU to put a product into the catalog? Or what about that cut IMVU gets from every sale made on an item, will this too be gone?

And to answer your question... If those folks I have become friends with choose to leave, then I see no reason for me to stick around, chances are I will follow where ever they choose to head off to.
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FatalPoison wrote:
The main reason I don't believe IMVU has to do this is because originally they said "Creators wanted this." When they realized they wouldn't be able to use creators as a scapegoat they then changed there story around.


That is true, that is the red-wire I read in all threads, and believe me I read it all. It's tiring.
But I agree with your statement about that.
It's unfair to start off and set Creators up against each other when this was not a Creators choice.
But that was proven when everyone asked about those polls and proof of them and they could not be delivered.
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SelenaPond wrote:
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Hmm i remember how there used to be a million users online on imvu, now theres, what, 72,000 MAYBE?


Half that since the announcement.


and it will just keep coming down
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay but, serious question: Is IMVU going to pay for Promo Credits? Or do newbies continue to essentially buy products for free?
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