Joined: 23 Apr 2011 Posts: 153 Location: United Kingdom
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:22 am Post subject:
PLEASE KEEP BOTH EARN CASH AND RESELLERS
a) EARN CASH
Great idea! ONLY as an "added" feature/option to sell our credits other than Resellers. Tons of us Creators would of been so happy and thanking you left had you done this.
b) KEEP RESELLERS
Great alternative for Creators who want to continue selling to them, might not qualify for Earn Cash, can not provide Tax information, or may not pass the Verificaion process. Also a place for Creators to sale our DERIVED credits as they will pile up for those of us who have many derivable products.
a) TAX FORMS
NOT every Creator will be to provide tax information. They might not have it, they simply do not want to provide it for personal reasons, or may not qualify for various reasons.
d) NOT ALL CREATORS WILL QUALIFY FOR EARN CASH
Tax reasons. They might not pass the "Verification" process.
Please consider my post. Sadly, I have already noticed a big sales decrease on my Pended Credits Schedule for both yesterday and today.
Joined: 18 Feb 2011 Posts: 1569 Location: South Africa
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:23 am Post subject:
If i decide to do this and get the money instead of credits (since credits will be totally useless) i can't do the w9 thing since i dont have a printer .. imvu should have a page online that can be signed .. this is a sad day
*Mod Hat Off*
You should be able to fill it on the computer using a .PDF program like Adobe Acrobat.
This is exactly how I filled mine out and saved it in Adobe.....however I wasnt able to sign it, will it be ok? I run mine through an LLC so I provided a Federal Tax ID for my business rather than SS#....think that will be ok?
Varsha noted that it does have to be signed and that digital signatures are fine. _________________
i receive this message today, and i just have 4-5 days for sell my balance OMG and rate sell so low! last year i see imvu have 100.000++ online, and now 50-70++, i think this year with this program imvu will only have 20-30++ people online.
It's clear that IMVU may, or may not as the case stands, have the right idea in not keeping themselves held liable for any and all income made by its developers/artists. What they are doing is an effort to accurately keep track of how much each person makes based on sales. That is the reasoning behind the W9's. In turn we would get a 1099, which is a yearly statement that provides you with exactly how much you made, to the penny.
With me so far?
This is a brave attempt on IMVU's part to keep developers honest in turning in their earnings to the US IRS, I get that. Having us agree to allow IMVU keep track of said earnings, in my opinion, is, once again, IMVU overstepping its bounds. The reason I say this is because of one simple fact: had IMVU, in the VERY beginning, informed its users, ones that may not have been aware of US tax regulations, of the fact that they needed to declare themselves as their own employer upon entering into the Creator program, then none of this would be happening. All it would take is for users to sign a simple contract stating that they agree to report their earnings, and include a clause that frees IMVU of any responsibility of having to allocate your earnings for you. All creators have seen their pended credits schedules, their sales reports, and other various information provided by the IMVU website, and are therefore very well capable of keeping records of their earnings on their own, and reporting them.
This would have also done away with the 30% tax being levied on users outside of the US who do not wish to provide IMVU with their sensitive user information, as IMVU is NOT an goverment entity, and therefore does NOT hold the right to tax ANY user for their profits. And I stand by my statement that IMVU is NOT the best at keeping hackers out of its servers, that just an illusion of security. Anyone that knows my history also knows that I am a prime example of that.
In the matters of minors having to pay taxes to the IRS based on their earnings because of what they've created, there was a simple fix for that: that no user can become a creator until they are legally verified to be of the age of 16, which, as it states in US labor laws, is the minimum age that any one person can start working in the United States with unlimited hours. Anyone under the age of 16 would be disqualified, as the US Department of Labor states that anyone as early as ages 14 or 15 CAN work, provided it doesn't interfere with school hours. Source cited here: http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/youthlabor/agerequirements.htm. So just to stay safe, and save from headaches, IMVU could set the standard at a verified age of 16. If it takes an age verification to be provided to IMVU for purchasing the Access Pass, and this applies to people outside of the US as well, then surely they could have enforced to same rule as to when any user would have been of required age to become part of the Creator Program, and therefore the same means of identification been acquired (currently that means is providing a copy of your current and legal state issued driver's license/state issued ID/Social Security#, and either mailing/faxing in copies of their issued ID's for users outside of the US).
I also leave you with this piece of food for thought: what if IMVU users could become share holders? I realize that this idea may seem ridiculous to some, more so to IMVU corporate, but here's where that idea would make sense. In any share holder's meeting, any and all share holders have the right to vote for or against any new regulation that IMVU comes up with. If IMVU users were to have a share holder's position, then it would ensure that our voices as users would be heard, and decisions affecting the TOS would be dealt with more fairly, as seen from a user's point of view. And I'm not suggesting that just anyone could buy into the company, and make decisions for it. But what if, once you reached a certain level of status as a developer, you had the OPTION to buy a share of IMVU? Wouldn't that be a more honest means of IMVU acquiring income for itself? I also realize that leaving that sort of option to creators would leave out the artists, so perhaps some sort of plan could be worked out for them as well (I'm thinking catalog stickers as a means to pay for art, but that's just one idea. Perhaps anyone else that has a better one can step forward and speak up). But I have a feeling that if this route were taken, it would not only give IMVU users a voice, but would also show users that IMVU actually DOES care about them, therefore making the company more user friendly, and ushering more and more users based on such. Democracy is a thing, people.
Also, DO AWAY WITH REQUIRING NEW ACCOUNTS TO BECOME VIP's IN ORDER TO BECOME CREATORS. That action did nothing but show all of us as users where your heart as a corporation truly lies, in the lining of your pockets. If my idea of selling shares of IMVU to its users were to be implemented, then that would more that make up for what IMVU would claim that it's "losing" by dropping the VIP requirement for new creators.
And lastly, what did you really accomplish by eliminating resellers? Do you not realize that had you had prices that competed with them, that more people would have turned to you instead, therefore creating an influx of earnings?
I really wish that Cary Rosenzweig had not stepped down as CEO, as he may have been more open to the idea. Quite frankly, ever since Brett stepped in, this site has become less and less desirable to use. No, not all decisions are made by him alone, but as acting Chief Executive Officer, he has final say in any and all of IMVU's policy changes.
I thought middle schoolers weren't smart but after skipping pages NONE of you are SMART! I personally like the NEW idea ! No one told you idiots to quit your jobs and just require IMVU as your essential income . Why should IMVU loose out on money to other resellers lol. & YOU CANT COMPLAIN BECAUSE IMVU has sales EVERY DAY ( within the hour ) SO WHY ARE YOU ALL SO MAD ? It's so many scams with credit cards . && most RESELLERS HACK PROFILES AND IMVU STAFF IS FULL OF TICKETS WITH BEING BLAMMED WITH GETTIG HACK. I like the Tax form idea. At least you get paid not just from IMVU but the government as well. For the people saying they'll loose sales and etc no U won't ! Pro creators that are ALWAYS on the first page people will continue to shop U because they like your talent ( EXAMPLE: Fine and MrsKitty ... I SAY GET RID OF THE RESELLERS .. IMVU SHOULD STAY ON IMVU .. you people dont be complaining when they have sales oR when they have deals for 100k for 50 and 400 or more get soled. Imvu don't care lol do u know how many advertisements they have on the Internet .. I say they are giving us a helping hand .. Which game U know that will allow u to file taxes for investing money in their game ? NONE.. All of u will be back to creating so the use of this petition is stupid lol.
Do you even buy anything on IMVU? "relevance"
yes I do .. Do you ? Your icon seems otherwise lol
I don't think this will really help deal with scam artist though.
NOT everyone reads the forums.
So how does IMVU plan on dealing with scam artists that prey upon those that don't know?
simply put they snooze they loose, its been imvu's motto all along. No security measures are in place at all, no safety for the community at all. Only change is to this single thing of killing off all resellers and forcing everyone to only use imvu from now on. thats is. _________________
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