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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As an incentive to behave, I can see your point. I do agree, bullying and harassment are out of control here. I think tougher penalties are needed in that area. Three justifiable complaints via message, chat or other acceptable means of reporting should get you disabled for a month or so. Three more should get the user banned. The problem is...the users who bully and harass just make alt accts to continue their ways. Some sights make you register alt accts and limit you to 5 alts so this is not an issue. Thinking IMVU needs to follow that example.


Think about that seriously for a moment.

How hard would it be for 3 people who do not like you
to make 3 complaints about you?
You mention "justifiable" - how are they to be justified?
Those stalkers U mention who make alts
what stops them from just making 3 alts and reporting you 3 times
disguised as 3 different people?

It is the quality of the people, that is lacking in this area.

I fear that your idea gives FAR too much power
to people who are not responsible, respectful or respectable enough
to have that power.


Which is why I said this:

Some sights make you register alt accts and limit you to 5 alts so this is not an issue. Thinking IMVU needs to follow that example.

All reports of actual harassment (look up definition if you want to know what justifies harassment) that are reported to IMVU via proper reporting procedures. A report is either correct (justified) or incorrect (unjustified).

As for choosing who sees our shop....yes we agree to IMVU terms but IMVU has a responsibility to it's users as well. You call it immature that we do not want to see the names of our stalkers and harassers on our sales reports, yet there is psychological reasons for this as I explained before.

NO...I am not happy to take their credits!! If I block it's because I want them gone and I mean completely gone. Just as I would in RL. This may not be RL but the psychological aspects stand none-the-less.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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@Mikanojo I see nothing wrong with preventing users from viewing/purchasing from our shop. It is our shop, and we should be able to do with it how we wish. If I owned a business in real and someone came in being disruptive, rude, ect, I'd have every right to ban them from shopping in my establishment. Why can't we have the same on IMVU?


I completely agree with this. It may be property of IMVU once we submit, but WE make them money and this is not a big thing for them to be able to accomplish when creators are asking for it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Visui wrote:
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Empurios wrote:
If blocked users were blocked from purchasing from the catalogs of those who have blocked them, as well as creators who are blocked were to lose customers then maybe we might see an improvement and more responsibility on the part of both creators and non-creators as to their behaviour and actions.

At present their is no incentive to watch how you behave and what you say to others so bullying is out of control. Also, it might prevent users from abusing creators just because they feel like it, for fear of being blocked and being deprived of said creators catalog.

Just a thought. Since there is no other way to help improve user behaviour, so a strong enough incentive such as mentioned above might help.




As an incentive to behave, I can see your point. I do agree, bullying and harassment are out of control here. I think tougher penalties are needed in that area. Three justifiable complaints via message, chat or other acceptable means of reporting should get you disabled for a month or so. Three more should get the user banned. The problem is...the users who bully and harass just make alt accts to continue their ways. Some sights make you register alt accts and limit you to 5 alts so this is not an issue. Thinking IMVU needs to follow that example.


Even if IMVU required you to register your alts, people could simply make more and choose not to register them.


IMVU needs to look at the process other sites are using to ensure this does not happen. Yes, it is always possible to circumvent the system, but other sites have safety measures for this reason. I am not a tech so cannot really say how it is done. Only that it is done.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The whole blocked system is completely screwed, and while some don't care people they have blocked purchases from them, then great for them. but the purpose of BLOCKING is to keep someone AWAY from you for some of us.
There's so many holes in this system and IMVU only patches the couple of things and I don't understand why they can't give us full blocking system.


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THIS!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NikkiHart01 wrote:
Visui wrote:
@Mikanojo I see nothing wrong with preventing users from viewing/purchasing from our shop. It is our shop, and we should be able to do with it how we wish. If I owned a business in real and someone came in being disruptive, rude, ect, I'd have every right to ban them from shopping in my establishment. Why can't we have the same on IMVU?


I completely agree with this. It may be property of IMVU once we submit, but WE make them money and this is not a big thing for them to be able to accomplish when creators are asking for it.


Wanting some thing is not the same as being entitled to it
or it being a right.

I realize that people do not feel compelled to think logically
when the issue is stalkers, i have stalkers in IMVU too
in fact one of them even created a group just to complain
about me personally, one of them made 9 more accounts
that i was aware of - there was probably more
and one of them not only made extra accounts
but joined every group that i was part of at that time
and that mai Love was part of at that time
and tried to trick me and mai Love into adding her as a friend
under different accounts.

If you cannot bear the thought of some one you hate
buying a product you derived or meshed
then do not make it a public product in the IMVU catalog.

If you choose to make that product public in some one else's catalog
then you have no control over who buys it
and absolutely no right to dictate to IMVU who buys it.

And that is just how reality works.

Once you make it public.. it is in PUBLIC view.

Yes there are monsters in IMVU, real ones
and you were wise to block them
but now you are letting them still haunt you
it is your choice to let some one have so much control over you
that even seeing their name causes you panic attacks, ya?

If you are still in that much emotional trauma
because of the acts of some horrible monster
i understand that completely
the real question then is why are you giving IMVU products
for them to sell in their public catalog
if you literally are unable to cope
with the thought that one of those sick monsters
might buy some thing with your name on it?

There are times when you can rely on others to fight your battles
and times when you need to fix your self.

You have every right to both privacy and publicity
but it seems that some of you are choosing to let
those sick evil stalkers keep controlling you
even after you have blocked them.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe people thought blocked users could not purchase from the catalog if blocked because that's what was said..lol.

If I'm selling a little clay figure I made myself, hand painted , and someone I despise for good reasons comes up to me wanting to buy it , I think I should have every right to have the option to decline.
Sure, I have my shop set up at some public flea market - I've paid my fee to set up my shop, but the work was MINE. -I- am the artist of my clay figure, and every artist ALWAYS says they have the right to decline someone as they see fit.
I think it should be the same way, or at in the LEAST have it optional to do so.

Let's take the original wording again and same clay figure.
I say, "I don't like you, you may not buy my figure and tell me what you think about it."
And then there's, "I don't like you, but sure, buy it, I just don't care what you think about it."
It's two different things, and that's what was originally said and this is why people have the same reaction as I do.
That's not clarifying, it's changing.

It's even more irritating that it was said after these changes are in effect, there's no future plans for the blocking system. Are you kidding me? lol. They stop at this? It's lazy as CRAP. Facebook has a better blocking system than this place. IMVU copies stuff from other sites all the time but can't up their system where it counts?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's my final thought on this subject then I am out:

Blocking should mean completely blocked...period. However, some don't mind users they blocked seeing their catty and some of us do, for reasons I have already stated (such as malicious flagging, psychological harassment, etc).

So..here is an easy solution for IMVU that should make us all happy:

Give the person blocking a user the choose. When we click the block button, give a popup window with the confirmation to block that says "do you wish to block user from viewing your catty?" and a yes / no check box area. This way it is up to the person blocking

As for some of us letting people still control use because we do not like seeing their names on our sales sheets....please. Psychologically, it is difficult to move on for some if the name keeps reappearing. If they can block these people from messaging me because of the psychological effect (and yes that is what is comes down to...psychological) then why can't I choose to block them from my catty so I don't see their name on the sales reports?

I agree with the statement and thought of...if you set up shop in the flea market you still have rights. Anything I create is mine. If this were not true we could not file DMCA for theft of intellectual property, meshes, etc. SO, on that note, I rent space from IMVU, I pay fees to put in catty and IMVU makes the majority of the credits from my sales. The LEAST they can do is give creators an option and a small piece of control when it comes to blocking and the catty.

As for wanting and being entitled not being the same this is correct; however, people WANTED blocked users to not be able to send credits because that meant they could send a nasty note...and IMVU obliged. People WANTED, IMVU to stop blocked users from sending pm messages from the forum...again IMVU obliged. BUT, when we ask for a safety change that could effect THEIR income because some users cannot buy from our catty.....they say sorry not going to do this for you.

Finally, I should not have to stop creating to get rid of bullies and harassment groups on here. It is IMVU who should be protecting their users from such groups. I and others are asking IMVU to step up to the plate for once and hit a home run. Give us full blocking ability and not half *ss this so they can say "Hey look we did something for you today."


~steps down from soap box, and moves on~ smh IMVU won't listen anyway
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also @NikkiHart I don't want a 5 account limit, I already have more then that. rofl.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Also @NikkiHart I don't want a 5 account limit, I already have more then that. rofl.


Maybe they can grandfather your alts in?? Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NikkiHart01 wrote:
Visui wrote:
Also @NikkiHart I don't want a 5 account limit, I already have more then that. rofl.


Maybe they can grandfather your alts in?? Wink


HA HA, I wouldn't trust them to do something like that.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks imvu this will come in handy.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand the sensitivity of some users (being harassed can be awful) but I do agree with not extending the block to the catalog. Yes, it would be great to be completely hidden from those on our block list but it isn't really practical.

As long as your private spaces (contacting you and your public/private spaces/rooms) are protected which they are now thanks to Varsha and the team where no-one on your block list can contact you directly with messages or comments/threats then I think the block system is sufficient.

As I said before, I understand completely that some users have and do suffer more than others and I appreciate your feelings but in the public domain (catalog shop etc) you should be a little more flexible. I know it's difficult but please try to ignore those on your block list in the public domain. If you feel threatened or uncomfortable take a time out from imvu or the public domain remaining in your private IMVU spaces until you feel more indifferent to those on your blocked list.

IMVU is for you to enjoy and relax with your friends. I do believe IMVU tries extremely hard to ensure that your experience is the best it can possibly be and these updates are here to help make life more easier for IMVU Users.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I understand the sensitivity of some users (being harassed can be awful) but I do agree with not extending the block to the catalog. Yes, it would be great to be completely hidden from those on our block list but it isn't really practical.

As long as your private spaces (contacting you and your public/private spaces/rooms) are protected which they are now thanks to Varsha and the team where no-one on your block list can contact you directly with messages or comments/threats then I think the block system is sufficient.

As I said before, I understand completely that some users have and do suffer more than others and I appreciate your feelings but in the public domain (catalog shop etc) you should be a little more flexible. I know it's difficult but please try to ignore those on your block list in the public domain. If you feel threatened or uncomfortable take a time out from imvu or the public domain remaining in your private IMVU spaces until you feel more indifferent to those on your blocked list.

IMVU is for you to enjoy and relax with your friends. I do believe IMVU tries extremely hard to ensure that your experience is the best it can possibly be and these updates are here to help make life more easier for IMVU Users.

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Wonderfully written! i wish IMVU forums has a +1 app just for posts like this.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im happy about these improvements but when is whispering for vip users going to comply with the block feature????
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And I -still- disagree that what is given is NOT enough and that IMVU has waited YEARS to give us even -this- much, and already don't plan to do anything more than this.

What's the purpose of blocking someone if they can still stalk your every move, if they can still keep looking at what you make and possibly recreate it for their own catty?
And that is done way more times than people think.
What kind of blocking system is that? A lazy one.
I should not even EXIST on this website to the people I have blocked.


I still firmly stand by that it should at least be optional for those who want a complete block from some users.
I know it will never happen, and it's already been suggested the reason is because IMVU is too damn scared to miss a credit going into their own pocket and I fully agree on that too.

I've spoken my mind on this topic and now I sound like a broken record so I don't plan on commenting again.
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