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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Whew, had to read and catch up with everyone.

I'm stuck in the middle of all this -

~ I do love the fact that it was addressed and corrected (or will be?) that people can no longer message you through the forum. That's how a few people on my blocked list were sending my messages along with creating new accounts AND sending the 1 credit transfer with a message. So I'm thankful I no longer have to worry about all that and can just focus on random accounts trying to add/message me.

~ I do NOT agree with the change from people blocked able to purchase from the catalog of the person who blocked them. A couple pages back (or something like that) Luna gave a screenshot of the ORIGINAL message from varsha saying blocked users can no longer purchase from the catalog of someone who has them blocked.
And now that's no longer in effect.

You know who that helps? IMVU. It's more income on their end since a product that's selling for 700 credits, the creator of the item only gets like 150 or some crap. The rest goes to IMVU.
So if people are blocked from purchasing, it hurts IMVU, which is why I'm willing to bet they switched it up.

If they were concerned about the users, they would let this be OPTIONAL or they would know that majority of people who have people blocked would like to have NOTHING to do with them.

I'm surprised more people aren't gunning for the option to have people you want NOTHING to do with you, not purchase from you at all. Just makes sense to me Rolling Eyes


They didn't switch it up. Varsha edited her post for clarification because people were assuming it meant blocked users couldn't purchase from your catalog when that was never the original intent of the message.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If blocked users were blocked from purchasing from the catalogs of those who have blocked them, as well as creators who are blocked were to lose customers then maybe we might see an improvement and more responsibility on the part of both creators and non-creators as to their behaviour and actions.

At present their is no incentive to watch how you behave and what you say to others so bullying is out of control. Also, it might prevent users from abusing creators just because they feel like it, for fear of being blocked and being deprived of said creators catalog.

Just a thought. Since there is no other way to help improve user behaviour, so a strong enough incentive such as mentioned above might help.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If blocked users were blocked from purchasing from the catalogs of those who have blocked them, as well as creators who are blocked were to lose customers then maybe we might see an improvement and more responsibility on the part of both creators and non-creators as to their behaviour and actions.

At present their is no incentive to watch how you behave and what you say to others so bullying is out of control. Also, it might prevent users from abusing creators just because they feel like it, for fear of being blocked and being deprived of said creators catalog.

Just a thought. Since there is no other way to help improve user behaviour, so a strong enough incentive such as mentioned above might help.


As an incentive to behave, I can see your point. I do agree, bullying and harassment are out of control here. I think tougher penalties are needed in that area. Three justifiable complaints via message, chat or other acceptable means of reporting should get you disabled for a month or so. Three more should get the user banned. The problem is...the users who bully and harass just make alt accts to continue their ways. Some sights make you register alt accts and limit you to 5 alts so this is not an issue. Thinking IMVU needs to follow that example.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Empurios wrote:
If blocked users were blocked from purchasing from the catalogs of those who have blocked them, as well as creators who are blocked were to lose customers then maybe we might see an improvement and more responsibility on the part of both creators and non-creators as to their behaviour and actions.

At present their is no incentive to watch how you behave and what you say to others so bullying is out of control. Also, it might prevent users from abusing creators just because they feel like it, for fear of being blocked and being deprived of said creators catalog.

Just a thought. Since there is no other way to help improve user behaviour, so a strong enough incentive such as mentioned above might help.


As an incentive to behave, I can see your point. I do agree, bullying and harassment are out of control here. I think tougher penalties are needed in that area. Three justifiable complaints via message, chat or other acceptable means of reporting should get you disabled for a month or so. Three more should get the user banned. The problem is...the users who bully and harass just make alt accts to continue their ways. Some sights make you register alt accts and limit you to 5 alts so this is not an issue. Thinking IMVU needs to follow that example.


Even if IMVU required you to register your alts, people could simply make more and choose not to register them.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have blocked many people in IMVU
and it has ALWAYS been because of how those people act
what they DO, what they say, how they choose to act and
how they choose to define them selves in IMVU.

It was directly connected to mai public rooms
When i was VIP i had several rooms with different themes
but some acts and the people who support those acts in IMVU
were NEVER appropriate for mai public rooms

So i kept mai public rooms safe from that content

And now even with just 1 public room still open,
i feel exactly the same way
- i rather have a clean and safe public room
with just a few visitors who appreciate the scene
than to have a room of chaos and filth
where predators prey on people.

About the few products in mai little catalog
if i made them for the public
then it was with the understanding that any one might buy them
that is just some thing you must accept with making things for public sale.

It has been pointed out to me that some people cannot even bear to be reminded of some of their stalkers and that they do not want to see their names appear on a report and i DO understand that.

But you must balance security with your own publicity.
A locked door keeps the monsters locked out
and you locked in.

Putting products in a PUBLIC catalog
means that every 1 can see it
even the people you do not like.
even the immature sadistic monsters
who want to cause you harm.

This idea of wanting to be able to CHOOSE
who can and cannot buy your public products
is also sadly immature.

If the people who acted so horribly to me or to people i care about
who i blocked because of how they defined them selves in IMVU
want to give me credits or tokens
by buying some thing from mai tiny catalog of mostly personalized things
of questionable quality
then they will.

It IS nice that they can no longer leave a review on them
but when those names appear on a report
i will just take pleasure in closing that report
and deleting that message
sweeping them out like the dust from the steps
outside of mai virtual coffee shop.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As an incentive to behave, I can see your point. I do agree, bullying and harassment are out of control here. I think tougher penalties are needed in that area. Three justifiable complaints via message, chat or other acceptable means of reporting should get you disabled for a month or so. Three more should get the user banned. The problem is...the users who bully and harass just make alt accts to continue their ways. Some sights make you register alt accts and limit you to 5 alts so this is not an issue. Thinking IMVU needs to follow that example.


Think about that seriously for a moment.

How hard would it be for 3 people who do not like you
to make 3 complaints about you?
You mention "justifiable" - how are they to be justified?
Those stalkers U mention who make alts
what stops them from just making 3 alts and reporting you 3 times
disguised as 3 different people?

It is the quality of the people, that is lacking in this area.

I fear that your idea gives FAR too much power
to people who are not responsible, respectful or respectable enough
to have that power.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMVU has done three things I am happy with, all within a couple of weeks!!

Is the world coming to an end? Surprised
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Mikanojo I see nothing wrong with preventing users from viewing/purchasing from our shop. It is our shop, and we should be able to do with it how we wish. If I owned a business in real and someone came in being disruptive, rude, ect, I'd have every right to ban them from shopping in my establishment. Why can't we have the same on IMVU?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't care if someone I've blocked visits my store. They can't leave a review but I still get their money Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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@Mikanojo I see nothing wrong with preventing users from viewing/purchasing from our shop. It is our shop, and we should be able to do with it how we wish. If I owned a business in real and someone came in being disruptive, rude, ect, I'd have every right to ban them from shopping in my establishment. Why can't we have the same on IMVU?


Because it is not actually our shop.

When we develop content for IMVU, we agree to the terms IMVU sets out
for us.

It is IMVU who owns the shop
and IMVU who decides who can buy what products they do.

You can keep your products hidden, and then sell / gift them as you choose
but then they are not set for public view.

You can choose your friends and your enemies to an extant.
but you do not get to decide what the PUBLIC sees and can purchase
in IMVU's public catalog.

Since you mentioned a realspace business
it would be like Pepsi letting Wal-mart stock their products for sale
at Wal-mart...
but then dictating to Wal-mart that they are not allowed to sell Pepsi
to members of the Coca-Cola company.

It is counter-productive to IMVU to deny sales of public products in THEIR
catalog, based on the selfish desires of the developers.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mikanojo wrote:
Visui wrote:
@Mikanojo I see nothing wrong with preventing users from viewing/purchasing from our shop. It is our shop, and we should be able to do with it how we wish. If I owned a business in real and someone came in being disruptive, rude, ect, I'd have every right to ban them from shopping in my establishment. Why can't we have the same on IMVU?


Because it is not actually our shop.

When we develop content for IMVU, we agree to the terms IMVU sets out
for us.

It is IMVU who owns the shop
and IMVU who decides who can buy what products they do.

You can keep your products hidden, and then sell / gift them as you choose
but then they are not set for public view.

You can choose your friends and your enemies to an extant.
but you do not get to decide what the PUBLIC sees and can purchase
in IMVU's public catalog.

Since you mentioned a realspace business
it would be like Pepsi letting Wal-mart stock their products for sale
at Wal-mart...
but then dictating to Wal-mart that they are not allowed to sell Pepsi
to members of the Coca-Cola company.

It is counter-productive to IMVU to deny sales of public products in THEIR
catalog, based on the selfish desires of the developers.


My suggestion was more meant like "I run a Walmart and this person trashed it and stole stuff so they cannot shop there." If we didn't make products the catalog would be empty, so we should be able to do with them how we choose.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Visui wrote:


My suggestion was more meant like "I run a Walmart and this person trashed it and stole stuff so they cannot shop there." If we didn't make products the catalog would be empty, so we should be able to do with them how we choose.


Well you CAN operate a virtual store in the public rooms district
and there you CAN ban people from visiting your store
since you DO run that.
Like a leased property with your business built on it.

But we do not run the catalog or make policy for it.
We accept it by contract if we agree to make public content for it.

So if you make it PUBLIC
in IMVU's catalog

then it is left to IMVU about the sales
and they give you a portion of the profit from those sales
in their catalog.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Visui wrote:
LillianMithuth wrote:
Whew, had to read and catch up with everyone.

I'm stuck in the middle of all this -

~ I do love the fact that it was addressed and corrected (or will be?) that people can no longer message you through the forum. That's how a few people on my blocked list were sending my messages along with creating new accounts AND sending the 1 credit transfer with a message. So I'm thankful I no longer have to worry about all that and can just focus on random accounts trying to add/message me.

~ I do NOT agree with the change from people blocked able to purchase from the catalog of the person who blocked them. A couple pages back (or something like that) Luna gave a screenshot of the ORIGINAL message from varsha saying blocked users can no longer purchase from the catalog of someone who has them blocked.
And now that's no longer in effect.

You know who that helps? IMVU. It's more income on their end since a product that's selling for 700 credits, the creator of the item only gets like 150 or some crap. The rest goes to IMVU.
So if people are blocked from purchasing, it hurts IMVU, which is why I'm willing to bet they switched it up.

If they were concerned about the users, they would let this be OPTIONAL or they would know that majority of people who have people blocked would like to have NOTHING to do with them.

I'm surprised more people aren't gunning for the option to have people you want NOTHING to do with you, not purchase from you at all. Just makes sense to me Rolling Eyes


They didn't switch it up. Varsha edited her post for clarification because people were assuming it meant blocked users couldn't purchase from your catalog when that was never the original intent of the message.



If you look at ANY post where someone quoted Varsha BEFORE she edited (to change :l) It said something along the lines of :
Is User A is a creator and blocks user B, User B can no longer purchase items from User A and leave a review.
All you need to do is go to earlier posts and see it for yourself.

THAT is -changing-, not clearing anything up. There's a difference between saying someone can and can not do something , and saying something but being misunderstood and making it clear.

The whole blocked system is completely screwed, and while some don't care people they have blocked purchases from them, then great for them. but the purpose of BLOCKING is to keep someone AWAY from you for some of us.
There's so many holes in this system and IMVU only patches the couple of things and I don't understand why they can't give us full blocking system.

Yeah, I'm glad they fixed the few little things they got off their butts to do, after what, YEARS of people asking for it? Like it's such a chore for them to do something about our security?

/end mini rant

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you look at ANY post where someone quoted Varsha BEFORE she edited (to change :l) It said something along the lines of :
Is User A is a creator and blocks user B, User B can no longer purchase items from User A and leave a review.~SNIP


Yes U did get that wording correct
and that was what confused people.

It never said that they could not buy products
it said they could not buy products AND then leave a review.

It was confusing and so the words needed an edit.

They can still buy products, that was never stopped
BUT blocked people can no longer leave reviews on your products
after they have bought them.


Buy = YES
Comment = NO
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LillianMithuth wrote:
Visui wrote:
LillianMithuth wrote:
Whew, had to read and catch up with everyone.

I'm stuck in the middle of all this -

~ I do love the fact that it was addressed and corrected (or will be?) that people can no longer message you through the forum. That's how a few people on my blocked list were sending my messages along with creating new accounts AND sending the 1 credit transfer with a message. So I'm thankful I no longer have to worry about all that and can just focus on random accounts trying to add/message me.

~ I do NOT agree with the change from people blocked able to purchase from the catalog of the person who blocked them. A couple pages back (or something like that) Luna gave a screenshot of the ORIGINAL message from varsha saying blocked users can no longer purchase from the catalog of someone who has them blocked.
And now that's no longer in effect.

You know who that helps? IMVU. It's more income on their end since a product that's selling for 700 credits, the creator of the item only gets like 150 or some crap. The rest goes to IMVU.
So if people are blocked from purchasing, it hurts IMVU, which is why I'm willing to bet they switched it up.

If they were concerned about the users, they would let this be OPTIONAL or they would know that majority of people who have people blocked would like to have NOTHING to do with them.

I'm surprised more people aren't gunning for the option to have people you want NOTHING to do with you, not purchase from you at all. Just makes sense to me Rolling Eyes


They didn't switch it up. Varsha edited her post for clarification because people were assuming it meant blocked users couldn't purchase from your catalog when that was never the original intent of the message.



If you look at ANY post where someone quoted Varsha BEFORE she edited (to change :l) It said something along the lines of :
Is User A is a creator and blocks user B, User B can no longer purchase items from User A and leave a review.
All you need to do is go to earlier posts and see it for yourself.

THAT is -changing-, not clearing anything up. There's a difference between saying someone can and can not do something , and saying something but being misunderstood and making it clear.

The whole blocked system is completely screwed, and while some don't care people they have blocked purchases from them, then great for them. but the purpose of BLOCKING is to keep someone AWAY from you for some of us.
There's so many holes in this system and IMVU only patches the couple of things and I don't understand why they can't give us full blocking system.

Yeah, I'm glad they fixed the few little things they got off their butts to do, after what, YEARS of people asking for it? Like it's such a chore for them to do something about our security?

/end mini rant

: l


Actually, yes I saw her original message, and like I stated before the intent of her original message was NEVER meant to be that blocked users couldn't purchase from you. Other users interpreted it that way, and so she changed the wording (not the original intent).
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