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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are correct that imvu get's a percentage of the credits when a product get's bought.I broke the pricing down on page 73 somewhere so people can actually see and understand that developers don't get the whole amount,that was mostly for the people who blame this on the developers because we are so greedy Wink
But I have to correct you on one point,imvu doesn't make money when a product is sold.For imvu credits are valueless unless somebody actually buys them in the credits store.
Prices for a 1 tile badge is 100k and like you said it's a credits sinkhole.The credits imvu take for products are a small credits sinkhole too.

I said it before if the offers would work like they supposed to do there wouldn't have been problem with to many promo credits in the beginning.


XxAngelVIIxX wrote:

I fail to see how the community as a whole has not become more outraged at the treatment Devs get. If the trend continues, all of our favorite devs will get sick of it, and find ulterior outlets for their creative and technical prowess, and desert the community.


Developers have asked and begged for years for any positive changes that will help and keep the developers happy but also the keep the non-developers happy.
It simply will never change.
Then there is the problem of non-developers[now not all of them but there are a lot] who don't get any help in understanding how the system works.
Like you already said they don't understand that promos can have a negative impact and will most likely end up in a nasty backlash from the developers.
Then there are some[you can find them very rarely] who think that imvu works this way,that imvu has to give them everyday at least 500 promos to 2000 promos daily,those are the people that annoy me.All you hear from them,I need,I want,you need to give me.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Then there are some[you can find them very rarely] who think that imvu works this way,that imvu has to give them everyday at least 500 promos to 2000 promos daily,those are the people that annoy me.All you hear from them,I need,I want,you need to give me.


Agreed, or that beg you for credits and or gifts, when you haven't even so much as said "hello". That stuff gets on my nerves too. lol

I think the pets were actually a pretty good idea. They didn't give you 'too' many credits at once, but the more active you were, logged in and following your timer, the more credits you could earn. And you could earn like 100 credits in a day if you just checked on your pet once in awhile and stayed online chatting with people.

I think an ability to earn around 100 credits a day of active participation would be pretty fair. That would give the younger crowd a way to earn since they aren't eligible for a lot of the things adults are. In 10 days you will have enough credits saved up to buy yourself a 1000 credit product. But, the credits would need to be legit. No more of the predit stuff. I think that IMVU could honestly do away with the separate currency system all together and free up some server space.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very selective reading, some of you do. Paying special attention only to what agrees with you.

Those who say "there are many ways to earn credits" have you ever tried to read the posts that says:
" It doesn't work for everyone. Peer review is only for 18+, problems with 3rd party offers, users from other countries don't have offers applicable to them and yeah, they have jobs and lives outside of imvu. ( If your whole world revolves around IMVU, that's you, and not the rest of us. ) Now what?

We're not playing semantics here and focusing word usage to mock another just means your argument lacks merit to stand on its own. Its pretty simple to understand that when people say its a "game", they don't mean it literally like a game with a scoring system or one that is played using a console. The word was used to convey that this is not something they take seriously or that this is only done in a leisurely manner.

Well, here's the thing, in case some of you missed it.:
MOST of the users here equate IMVU to having fun. Now if you try to make a living out of other people's fun, then you must not expect them to share your "world view" of doing business. If you want something to pay off, get a job. If you're trying to make a business out of IMVU, you better not complain about the amount of promo credits you're getting because I'm sure its in the fine print when you signed up for the creator program. No matter how much, You know about it, you signed up for it.

And what about this "complainers and devs"? why are we name calling now? Is this behavior even allowed? If you're a dev and you complain about getting too much promo credits... aren't you a "complainer" too? what? jeez. Such snotty behavior doesn't deserve even my promo credits.
This is a forum. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean you get to call that person derogatory names.

To the devs who think the users owe them something, Its not like you were held at gunpoint when you signed up for the imvu creator program. Please get off your high horses so that you won't miss the real issue involved in whatever is being talked about.
NO, we NOT here to help you with your "business" or for you to profit. (eh? what kind of business thinks they're entitled to this?) However - we are your "potential customers" but we are here to have FUN. If you equate yourself as a dev to a business person, then You should make it worthwhile for us users to do business with you. It is not our responsibility to ensure that you guys make money out of your devving. Does that make us who want our "easy peasy" promo credits "greedy"? That's how it goes in real life. Get out of your virtual universe sometime and see how Real Life companies spend so much just to get "attention" from people.
Such a Simple and Elementary concept that's not so hard to grasp. See, you don't even have to attend business school to understand this. Let me know if you want me to explain further.

You don't like how you're being compensated by IMVU when you "work"? Get a better paying job in real life so you don't complain about people just wanting to have fun on here. Leave, stop creating. Let us worry about it when you're not here anymore. Don't think people will learn how to dev like you? besides, there will always be other devs out there who will graciously take your place. Just like how a certain dev said it in one of the previous pages when he was talking about the free users: "People come and go." That goes for devs too.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guest_Saixine wrote:

You don't like how you're being compensated by IMVU when you "work"? Get a better paying job in real life so you don't complain about people just wanting to have fun on here.
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I think, perhaps, your don't really understand the ins and outs of how the system works. IMVU in and of itself, makes VERY few products. If all of the "Bitchy Devs" were to go "get a real life job" there would be no one to create unique new products for the catalog. They work hard. Creating new and unique products takes a base of knowledge that has to be developed and cultivated BEFORE they start using the IMVU dev program. It takes a lot of time and patience, to make sure everything is working and looks "right". And why should these people NOT benefit from their hard work? There are tons of things that people do "for entertainment only" and they make money off of their efforts- and no one criticizes them like you have the devs in your post. Musical artists make money off of their songs. Toy companies make money off of each toy they sell. Video game designers make money off of their game when it's all ready to launch. How is the devs being able to make some $$ off of their hard work any different? People pay for entertainment, I'd like for the ones doing the creating of that entertainment to get my money, not a third party host like IMVU Corp.

I DID, on SEVERAL occasions talk about how teens and some users with errors did NOT have the option to earn credits the same way many adults do. Perhaps, it is you who has the "selective reading problem" hun. I even talked about how important it was to give teens a way to regularly earn free credits so as to be able to fully participate in the community. I KNOW where you are coming from because I too, was 14, broke, and depending on free credits at one point.

I think if you would calm down a bit, and try to think of fair ways to make everyone happy, instead of just complaining about complaining, we might be able to find a resolution that you would be satisfied with as well.

I've tried to include some ideas in my posts, but I am not a super genius, and I don't have all of the answers. That's why I think that the users and devs need to communicate in a polite, intelligent, and rational way, so that everyone can be happy in the end.

Fighting like this solves no one's problem. When we fight like this, nothing actually gets accomplished, and we all just feel angry, hurt, and or upset afterwards. And as you said, IMVU is supposed to be a 'game' in the sense that it is for entertainment. When feelings are getting upset one way or another, it is no longer entertaining.

Can't we all just try to play nicely for 5 minutes, please? K Thx. ^_^
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You don't like how you're being compensated by IMVU when you "work"? Get a better paying job in real life so you don't complain about people just wanting to have fun on here.

[quote="XxAngelVIIxX"]I think, perhaps, your don't really understand the ins and outs of how the system works. IMVU in and of itself, makes VERY few products. If all of the "Bitchy Devs" were to go "get a real life job" there would be no one to create unique new products for the catalog.


Hi ^^
First, lets not assume. I know how it works.
Second, sucks if it seems that all the devs you know got awful behaviors - making you think that IMVU will stop revolving without them nasties. Otherwise, why would you be claiming that there would be no one left to dev on IMVU if the "bitchy devs" would leave - unless you think they're all bad?
Laughing Laughing Laughing
I know more than a handful of them "nice devs" who are kind, talented and not predit hating. Honestly, I'd rather stick with those devs Razz They've more than once encouraged me (of course, not literally, but by their skilled workmanship) to reward their efforts with credit purchases from time to time. so No, the "well won't be empty" if the bad ones you know would leave. Cool
Part of my post that you quoted is not for all the devs Smile Its for a select few who exhibits the specific behavior I pointed out. Read it again if you will.


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I think if you would calm down a bit, and try to think of fair ways to make everyone happy, instead of just complaining about complaining, we might be able to find a resolution that you would be satisfied with as well.


again, lets not assume. I am calm. Just turns out I can write lengthy posts like you and can point out behaviors I find disagreeable like what you did on the previous page.

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I've tried to include some ideas in my posts, but I am not a super genius, and I don't have all of the answers. That's why I think that the users and devs need to communicate in a polite, intelligent, and rational way, so that everyone can be happy in the end.


Its alright, no one is requiring that anyone be a genius. I think for the most part, people here have been nice to others. As long as one is not calling people names or demeaning another, I'm fine with them being upset about the changes.

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Fighting like this solves no one's problem. When we fight like this, nothing actually gets accomplished, and we all just feel angry, hurt, and or upset afterwards. And as you said, IMVU is supposed to be a 'game' in the sense that it is for entertainment. When feelings are getting upset one way or another, it is no longer entertaining.


Is that for me? I don't want to think you're assuming that I'm out to fight on this thread. I was merely pointing out certain behaviors that I've seen after reading and commenting on 74 pages of this thread, and like you, I am entitled to voice out my opinion on this matter.

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Can't we all just try to play nicely for 5 minutes, please? K Thx. ^_^


Always, as long as we stop assuming too. Smile

Thank you.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I said it before I say it again.Me and other developers don't have a problem with promo credits sales,this is something you assume or just looks this way.The problem is getting flooded with promo credits sales,for example,2 to 3 real credits sales daily and 20-50 promo credits sales daily.Which happened to a lot of developers during the DLR.Of course they are getting mad.

What happened because of this,most developers raised their prices dramatically.
If imvu would continued the DLR,some developers would left,some would simply stop developing/only create products for them self or the most likely situation,keep on raising prices until even though you got a lot of promos through the DLR it still would again take a few weeks to save up for a whole outfit[shoes,clothes,hair,skin,etc].
Then you would get complains from those users that everything is to expensive.Or would you really enjoy saving up so you can buy a 1200cr to 2000cr dress?
And that's only for a simple dress.


Guest_Saixine wrote:
If you want something to pay off, get a job.


This statement is just wrong on so many levels.
Confused
There are developers on here who really need the credits sales for extra income and telling them to get a job won't help nor work.
Can you guess why???
There are developers who are disabled and it's hard to impossible for them to get and keep a job.They need the extra income because for most the little amount they get monthly isn't enough.So yeah keep on taking away from them for your 'fun'.


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NO, we NOT here to help you with your "business" or for you to profit.[/b] (eh? what kind of business thinks they're entitled to this?)


Actually a lot of people know and understand how much work developers put into products for your enjoyment.They know and understand how much money they put into it.And they want and actually enjoy supporting developers by buying with real credits.
With this kind of mindset I now can understand why so many developers left or quit.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply to Way's post. Reply with quote

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[quote="Way"]I said it before I say it again.Me and other developers don't have a problem with promo credits sales,this is something you assume or just looks this way.The problem is getting flooded with promo credits sales,for example,2 to 3 real credits sales daily and 20-50 promo credits sales daily.Which happened to a lot of developers during the DLR.Of course they are getting mad.


You assume that I'm assuming. Please don't assume. I've read your entire posts. Have you read and understood the entirety of what I'm trying to say?

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[quote="Guest_Saixine"]If you want something to pay off, get a job.

[quote="Way"]This statement is just wrong on so many levels.
Confused
There are developers on here who really need the credits sales for extra income and telling them to get a job won't help nor work.
Can you guess why???
There are developers who are disabled and it's hard to impossible for them to get and keep a job.They need the extra income because for most the little amount they get monthly isn't enough.So yeah keep on taking away from them for your 'fun'.

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[quote="Guest_Saixine"]NO, we NOT here to help you with your "business" or for you to profit.[/b] (eh? what kind of business thinks they're entitled to this?)

[quote="Way"]Actually a lot of people know and understand how much work developers put into products for your enjoyment.They know and understand how much money they put into it.And they want and actually enjoy supporting developers by buying with real credits.
With this kind of mindset I now can understand why so many developers left or quit.


I've said before and I'll say it again... Part of my post that you quoted is not for all the devs.Its for a select few who exhibits the specific behavior I pointed out. Read it again if you will..
I said "To the devs who think the users owe them something (i even underscored this part), Its not like you were held at gunpoint when you signed up for the imvu creator program. Please get off your high horses so that you won't miss the real issue involved in whatever is being talked about. " === So it seems you are one of those devs because you think my post applies to you. Razz
Please look up from the my post right before yours. I said: "I know more than a handful of them "nice devs" who are kind, talented and not predit hating. Honestly, I'd rather stick with those devs. They've more than once encouraged me (of course, not literally, but by their skilled workmanship) to reward their efforts with credit purchases from time to time."

I like these devs because they understand that for people to buy the "handbag/hot dog/milk/pair of shoes/electricity" one would have to *want* to buy/utilize/need them first. They don't have the sense of entitlement that some of the devs have here. They understand that its not them deving (the person, their needs, wants etc..) that makes people buy. Its their products that have to speak for themselves.

They do *NOT* go around saying:
"buy-my-products-please-or-else-I-would-leave-imvu-or-stop-developing-all-together."
"If-you-won't-buy-from-me-I-won't-have-money-to-pay-for-my-bills"
or since You brought up disabled people "I'm-a-cripple.You-have-to-buy-credits-to-buy-my-products.-If-you-don't-support-a-disabled-person-you-are-a-heartless-creature."
Because you know what that is? That's
emotional blackmail. A very evil thing.

Good thing not everyone thinks this way. I've known and supported disabled people and animals alike - and you know what keeps me supporting them? They make it a JOY to support them. I buy from developers who make great products not because they're disabled or that they make me feel bad if I don't buy credits. They make it worth it to spend money to help them because its just plain good business dealing with them. They understand that its them who signed up for this and its IMVU who makes rules on how to compensate them. They do not resort to emotional blackmailing.They want to be here so they stay and in doing so, they have to play by IMVU's way of doing business.

I'm sure you've watched or seen an advertisement, yes? Do you think the companies advertise for free? No, they pay upfront just so you could watch their advertisement - even if they know that only a portion of the audience will buy their product. Do you think the companies can "demand" that the audience support their products so they won't "fold" or get bankrupt? No. So what are you saying, really? That we're here to support you? No. I didn't sign up to support anyone. We're not here to support you. For one to think that we're here for them not for our enjoyment... don't you think that's a little selfish?

When we sign up for imvu it says "Sign up to FREE chat in 3D". What it does NOT say there is "Sign up to support the developer community" If I missed it, please let me know where I can find that.
We are here PRIMARILY to have FUN. Supporting you is just part of it. you cannot demand that from the users. Even most of the developers here started out as hobbyist - meaning they *started* developing NOT because they want to profit, but because its fun for them to create products. That is what you don't seem to get from my posts. We have the free will to NOT support you if we don't like you or we don't have the means to. That doesn't make us evil. That's Life. Now, IMVU wants the free users around.... you know why? Because there is potential from these people to pay in the future.

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So it seems you are one of those devs because you think my post applies to you


Totally,now your assuming.You just asked me not to assume things,please follow your own advice.

And nowhere in my post have I demanded or tried to force you to support every single developer.
Believe me I don't need anyone to tell me that there are developers who are arrogant,I know this,I met a few and seen a few.I avoid these kind of developers too at all times.Most sane people do.

And what I meant with supporting,I didn't mean you should support every developer,hell this is impossible.I meant support your favorite developers,at least by buying some,not every single product with real credits.

I rather buy products with real credits then dumping tons of useless developer tokens on a developer.
And that's the real problem,it's not so much the promo credits,it's the useless developer token we get,that's why I'm so against a massive amount of promo credits people got daily through the DLR,until they figure out a better payment option for developer when they get promo sales.
Which will probably never happen and so promos need to be given out in a moderate amount.Not hundreds of promo credits daily[except day 1],
the pet feature gave an amount that was ok.Yeah it took a bit to save up but it was moderate.

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Mommajack wrote:
Keep it civil guys.


Please do both of you.
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74 pages? They said the log-in credits are limited to the first 30 days. That's a done deal. Some bodies need to start new threads elsewhere. Please notice the name of the thread.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So it seems you are one of those devs because you think my post applies to you

[quote="Way"]Totally,now your assuming.You just asked me not to assume things,please follow your own advice.


Tell me, why would you reply to something if you don't think it applies or is directed to you? I don't kinda get that. But anyways, let's not delve into that anymore as it adds nothing to the discussion.

Sorry If I overemphasized, over-stated, over-clarified or went overboard with anything, but I just don't think its right that predit users are demonized over using predits just because IMVU compensates the devs in a crappy manner. Its not their fault for using predits if that's all they can afford for now. Not everyone who wants the DLR wants to have "everything" for free or are bloody greedy. They just basically want incentive for logging in. The DLR gave max of 250 a day. not the 2000 or whatever exorbitant amount I saw a post claim they were wanting. Granted that it piles up over time, but its still minimum of 50 and max of 250 a day. Let's stick to the facts.

You want us to consider some of the devs who are here because they have no means of making money elsewhere. That's very understandable, but in the same light, take into consideration the people who are here because this is their escape from the drudgery of real life. I've seen people call others here lazy for just wanting to have "fun" here and for not wanting to do what they consider as "chores". Unless one knows what the person does in real life, that's not for anyone of us here to judge.

Do you not want to keep *potential* credit paying customers around? Who knows, in time they maybe able to afford VIP or a whole bunch of credits to make purchases with?

The DLR is what kept me logging in, fueling my interest to check things out once I'm home from corporate. Sure, I used lots of promo credits during the time I used to login daily but I also bought and encouraged the purchases of a few hundred credits and other add-ons. I don't think I'd be buying all those without the extra push of the DLR. Anyways, that's my story. I don't log in on here much anymore... no incentive to do so. The friends I want to keep in touch here are all added on either skype or fb. Now, if I don't have the incentive of logging in on here... what would encourage me to buy credits or even register the name of this account? Also, no matter how good your products are... If I don't see them (because I don't login that much anymore) there's no way I'd be able to get close to buying them.

So I'm letting this thread rest on my end with this question that went unanswered:
Be Honest:Who wants to do something that feels like a chore when the idea is to have Fun?  This may be a livelihood for some, but this is, for *most users* a recreation. To have Fun - It should *never* feel mostly like a chore.
(ugh, that's why I don't play farmville. It gets old.Razz)

Peace, good day, good luck with your businesses and hope imvu does something to make that dev token more appealing. Smile Bye!
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74 pages? They said the log-in credits are limited to the first 30 days. That's a done deal. Some bodies need to start new threads elsewhere. Please notice the name of the thread.


Exactly, it's a done deal, I wish they'd just lock this thread up or move it to old news already... Wink =^.^=

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BenSpur wrote:
74 pages? They said the log-in credits are limited to the first 30 days. That's a done deal. Some bodies need to start new threads elsewhere. Please notice the name of the thread.


Exactly, it's a done deal, I wish they'd just lock this thread up or move it to old news already... Wink =^.^=


I thought I had unsubscribed, but it popped up in my email. I'll remember this time. (grin)

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've taken the pet feature away from us, and now the daily login rewards? We should have at least the pet feature given back to us. How do you expect us to earn predits? Its definitely not possible. All the offers and surveys are more of a bullshit. No matter how many times i completed an offer or a survey, I did not get credits AT ALL. I would really appreciate if we could have at least the pet feauture given back to us.



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