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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:16 am    Post subject: Official ‘Let Us Trade, Sell, Give Away, Return Our Stuff' Reply with quote

Official ‘Let Us Trade, Sell, Give Away, Return Our Unused Products’ Thread.

Currently IMVU does not allow the sale, trade or return of any purchased goods.

This thread is for consolidating the ideas and the pros and cons of implanting such a system. Any spam or personal attacks will be removed. Keep the discussion to the ideas presented and not the people presenting them. Do not presume any ideas expressed here are IMVU’s official position on the matter, we are all merely users here and can only express our personal opinions on the subject.

Whether IMVU will implement any such program in the future is ultimately IMVU’s decision. All we as users can do is share our ideas and our reasoning for them. Please feel free to provide constructive criticism to the ideas presented as we want to hear all sides. However, do not presume to speak for IMVU.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all. I understand why people would like to trade and resell. So I'm not trying to take a side, but realistically we have to look at why we can't.

The simple reason we cannot trade or resell is because all the items are made, either by IMVU or mostly by just normal people and they should be allowed to make some money for their work.

If you could resell, they would gain no money and while we have people saying well they could get a small share, it would be a smaller amount than if another person bought it.

Trading removes profits for developers, because instead of buying your own copy, you just get it from someone else, once again they lose a sale.

Returning an item on IMVU is not the same as real life because the item is not real, the stock is unlimited, so they gain nothing by you returning it, all they do is lose the credits you gave them.


The try-it pass is a good way to see if you really want a product, better a one off fee to see anything you want, than to keep buying things.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that the trade and refund thing won't happen soon because fraud will likely occur. People will be able to make many accounts buy things then give them to one same avatar meaning that IMVU will lose money as well as developers. For this reason and many others way of this same kind of fraud i dont think IMVU will add these options.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Official ‘Let Us Trade, Sell, Give Away, Return Our Stuf Reply with quote

i think its really stupid how u have to pay for everything its ridiculous i men most ppl cant afford to keep buying credits just so they can change they're look i think they're getting enough money and if they aren't then they shoould go and gt a real job for godsake i only have 163 credits left nad i want to change my skin but i cant because they set the prices way to high its *** stuipid seriuosly they need to change this site dramatically!!!! Mad
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think i remeber someone from imvu staff saying they had decided that they were not planning to do anything like that.. I forget which staff member said it though. I am generally against the whole idea of swapping and trading. I think if you want something you should just buy some creds and get it.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't agree with the whole trading idea, but I think we should be able to get a refund for things because alot of my friends have complained that they bought something which was not what they expected at all, it removes something they are using or they accidently bought the item twice.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surprised

Shocked

Very Happy

Laughing

OMG!!! Thank you soooo much for this!!
Oh and allow me to say.... NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!

No trading, swapping, reselling(yes ive dropped that as well even though the plan I backed would have put in place additional 2nd time earnings as well as product wear.... ie. more sales)or giving away!!

Buy credits!! Support your favorite developers!! Wink

Please folks, no more predit/token/fredit hindering of the creative minds behind the process!!



*wipes tears of joy from eyes before leaving*


edited to add:::

As this is a stickie, and you asked so nicely, I'll comply this time.
I generally do it for effect. It doesn't read the same all bunched together or even neatly side by side. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thread cleaning, any post not directly discussing TRADE SWAP SELL ideas presented or sharing new ideas will be removed. We want to keep these threads on topic and to the real issues.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Keef, for the thread clean-up.
Rhania, you might want to lower the spacing a [s]little[/s] lot.

Kendjin wrote:
First of all. I understand why people would like to trade and resell. So I'm not trying to take a side, but realistically we have to look at why we can't.

The simple reason we cannot trade or resell is because all the items are made, either by IMVU or mostly by just normal people and they should be allowed to make some money for their work.

If you could resell, they would gain no money and while we have people saying well they could get a small share, it would be a smaller amount than if another person bought it.

Trading removes profits for developers, because instead of buying your own copy, you just get it from someone else, once again they lose a sale.

Returning an item on IMVU is not the same as real life because the item is not real, the stock is unlimited, so they gain nothing by you returning it, all they do is lose the credits you gave them.


The try-it pass is a good way to see if you really want a product, better a one off fee to see anything you want, than to keep buying things.


Maybe this should be augmented...

1) If you're selling the item to someone else, it has to be the same price you purchased it is. This way, the money that the
dev earns is just re-directed, not lost.

2) Returns? That's what the 'Try-it for 20 seconds' deal is all about. I learned about that after I bought something, but I would personally rather sell it to someone else. Returns are probably not happening.

3) You shouldn't have a duplicate of an item unless you paid for it. Other than that, I see no qualms. Then again, it's too easy to buy duplicates. Nonetheless, that's where my first point comes in.

I am personally with this, but I'm going to accept points given from either side. All are equal before law.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm ok with people reselling my products just as long as the item is removed from there inventory and gaven to the person that was buying the slightly used product, and if the products is sold less then for the orginal price, and if it can only be sold once.
You see if the product is sold for a lesser price the person reselling it is actually taking the loss and not me. (The fact that I'm ok with it only being able to resell it once and the fact that it isn't duplicated is why I say that.)

Did that make sense? Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The economy wouldn't be able to take it. This has been explained before.

The market is already flooded with products that, if traded, would provide a revenue black hole. You wouldn't need to buy new items, just sell a few to get your money back, then buy the lower-priced used items. Neither IMVU nor the devs would get a penny afterwards.

Sorry, I don't think they're gonna let that happen. I wouldn't.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

there are definitely pros and cons....

pros: i can donate my unused or unwanted items to some noob....maybe instead of them being given 1k in promo credits....?
(i don't feel i should gain any compensation for this donation...)

cons: the Dev who worked on the item won't see as many sales of their item if i am able to give it away....
(not to be rude...but if i am giving it away...it probably isn't super great in quality)

pros: beggars can't be choosy....

cons: Devs raise their prices....

i will need to come back after some further thought....

but i truly think that the people like me who spend real money on their credits....would end up bearing the brunt of issue....
and i might be forced to be much more selective in my purchases in the first place...

right now....i buy....i don't try....i invest in the Devs...and if they are good at what they do i buy more....

this might force me to build my little market research study group afterall....

makes ya go hmmm....great post as usual Sir Keef!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trading? That shouldn't be a money issue, if you are exchanging one item for another and that item you traded is no long in your inventory.... Then again this is IMVU and money is always a tight issue....BUT What about those who don't have an Acess pass? What if they are gifted an item that they can't use? How will they get rid or it? Simple.....trade it with someone who does for an exchange for a item that isn't restricted? Trading items back and forth should NOT put a hole in anyone's wallet as long as some PAID for that item, get it?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stupid question but how is trading an issue when people buy stuff off other peoples wishlist for them. gift giving is technically like trading, only theres a middle man in the trade which would be the wishlist program itself correct? I have come across many people here so far who buy things for other people but dont realize in order to gift that item they bought for said person they had in mind that they need to buy it off the persons wishlist to give it to them. So now those people are walking around with the items in their inventory that they cant use cant give away or remove from their inventory. So how is putting the trading feature into this gonna hurt the developers when there are people spending money to buy credits to purchase the products. Also more people will buy when this is out of beta and many of the known bugs are fixed and functions are working properly like any program that finally leaves beta correct?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think maybe they should let us return the things we dont want but give us half the money back that way its fair to both of us.
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