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Bonkolina
Joined: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 1035 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:55 am Post subject: |
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Supposedly it was a manual process to add them, and the person responsible for that at IMVU got too busy with other things.
Again as I see it, I'm not after taking anything away from anyone. Had the banners gone from being free to being something you have to pay for, that would be fine with me.
But that's not the case. This is a commodity that is 100% exclusive and cannot be purchased by those who want it. It is also a commodity that causes indirect harm to other creators who cannot have it by giving their competitors an unfair advantage.
If IMVU wants to start selling advertising - they should start there. Open it up to all creators to pay for a banner on their product pages. Controversy over and the ones who got them for nothing continue to get them for nothing. _________________
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ZaraKaine
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Bonkolina wrote: | | If IMVU wants to start selling advertising - they should start there. Open it up to all creators to pay for a banner on their product pages. Controversy over and the ones who got them for nothing continue to get them for nothing. |
That's a fine idea but it could also be a double edged sword ... what about all the people that have stated that they don't want someone else's advertising on their page?... won't they simply choose those who don't pay for a banner to derive from?... if that is the case then it could harm your derived sales rather than increase them ... just a thought. _________________ ~The Unconventional Devs~
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Bonkolina
Joined: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 1035 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not suggesting that anyone else's advertising is carried on your product pages other than the way is now. You derive from a mesh, that mesher's ad appears on your product page. That's it. No other ads. The only difference between what is happening now and what I'm proposing is that those meshers who do not have the benefit of a mesher banner will have one for a nominal fee. Perhaps an annual fee.
Maybe even tied to VIP for existing meshers - get VIP get a banner.
If texture artists want to pay for their banner to be displayed on their own product pages, they can pay for that to show above the mesher's banner. Only it will automatically appear on every one of their own product pages and the mesher's banner only appears for the derivable of that product.
All IMVU needs to do is write an app to let people update their banners themselves. (I'm not suggesting this is a tiny thing, I'm sure it's not.) But it could be a nice little revenue stream and actually help creators rather than hinder them. _________________
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ZaraKaine
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CherryNoire
Joined: 23 Oct 2007 Posts: 426 Location: USA - CA
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Bonkolina wrote: |
If texture artists want to pay for their banner to be displayed on their own product pages, they can pay for that to show above the mesher's banner. |
We don't have to pay to add our banners to our own product pages, we just need a little html code, which is easy to find. If I had to pay for that I would be pretty upset. For the most part, I don't care a lot about what imvu does to make money, seems they need it pretty badly lately - but paying for a banner on my own page would make me roar. _________________
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WickedAngelNB 
Joined: 31 May 2009 Posts: 7182 Location: Australia
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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The mesher banners were manually added by a former staff member who left about 2 years ago. At the time they announced that for the time being there would be no more added until they made it an automated thing. While lots of meshers want one and at the moment can't get it, there are also meshers who have one who wish to update theirs but they can't. _________________
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Bonkolina
Joined: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 1035 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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Well, the idea Cherry is that it would be optional of course. But if you wanted it, you could and it would be a nice VIP perk.
I'm aware that you can put HTML in your code - I'm not new to this. In fact, I do that myself, lol. It would be more of a convenience than anything else to offer it. But of course, the real value of banners is to meshers because those would appear on any product derived from them. _________________
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Delure
Joined: 07 Jan 2011 Posts: 861 Location: USA - OR
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Bonkolina wrote: | Ok, I understand the point that others are trying to make about taking something away from those who have it. That's a fine point when we're talking about a freebie or gift. It's another matter entirely in a competitive business situation where that "gift" just keeps on giving only to those who have it and takes something away from those who don't.
It is free advertising being offered only to those who happened to start meshing before it was withdrawn. It is ONGOING free advertising, not a one-time thing.
We know that those of you who are enjoying the benefit of having a mesher's banner don't want to lose it. You know it's valuable to you because it gives you a bit of an edge over those who don't have them. Great for you. Not so great for your peers who are every bit as entitled to the same amount of FREE advertising from our ungracious hosts as you are.
I don't want anyone to lose their banner. But anyone who aspires to be successful creating here knows that the hardest part about it is getting your brand out there and getting people to recognize it. I've recognized certain meshers' brands for years due to their banners. Some of them have never changed them. So they are not meaningless or ineffective. They help you promote your brand on thousands of products derived from you, they attract attention and they establish identity.
So while you may see it as freebie the rest of us just missed the boat on, I see it as an ongoing benefit that gives you an unfair competitive advantage by placing YOUR advertising on potentially thousands of products.
Of course if I had the banner I wouldn't want it taken away from me either. But maybe rather than dismiss our claims with irrelevant analogies, you'll support the idea that when it comes to marketing IMVU has an obligation to create a level playing field for all of us. |
This sums up exactly how I feel. Iv been keeping an eye on this tread, and Ill admit, I may have gone a little overboard by saying the one who have it should be taken away if we can't have them too. But it is soooo frustrating to think that I may never be a popular as some of my competitors, because I just can't get may name out as much as they can.
These banners are a HUGE HUGE HUGE source of free advertising and it sure would be nice if each mesh developer had the same opportunity.
PLEASE IMVU! Give us the chance to do this again. ^_^ _________________
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Celyng
Joined: 05 Feb 2008 Posts: 3934 Location: USA - CA
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder if they could modify the badge coding to allow for this.
Only issue would be whether the banner is suitable for GA audience or not.
They could always put in a flagging option though like for badges. (Yes I am trying not to laugh at that last part)
At any rate, they have the coding for it, it just needs to be fixed up and usable for banners with some safety precautions added.
I have seen some meshers added after the cut off date. Not sure how they get them in, but it isn't as exclusive as IMVU lets on. Maybe that has stopped since. I don't know.
There are a few ways they could incorporate it (tiers, vip, purchased, everyone).
There are a few ways it could be accessed. Dev dashboard, in client, account settings on web.
It just needs to get done. _________________
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WickedAngelNB 
Joined: 31 May 2009 Posts: 7182 Location: Australia
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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I know Caleb and I were a couple of the last ones to get their banners added. I also remember that Caleb had a misspelling in his original banner and they changed it out I believe. So if anyone has been added after Caleb's and mine, then someone has done it on the downlow and QT and against what was posted by staff about the banners being stopped being added until they got them automated. _________________
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Bonkolina
Joined: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 1035 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:34 am Post subject: |
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I know for a fact some were added after the cutoff. Just sayin'. _________________
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DLovinT
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 1242 Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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Take them down, there are obvious accounts on here that are being advertised as meshers that are not in any definition of the word! _________________
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InamorataSylaraia
Joined: 21 Nov 2008 Posts: 2107 Location: USA - WY
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| DLovinT wrote: | | Take them down, there are obvious accounts on here that are being advertised as meshers that are not in any definition of the word! |
So because there are some frauds then the real meshers have to be punished? Why don't we extend that logic and disable everyone's creator account because of the thieves? Shut down legitimate banks because of ponzi schemers? Annul all marriages because some people cheat or marry an american to get citizenship? Lets just punish everyone for the sins of a few! |
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DLovinT
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 1242 Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| InamorataSylaraia wrote: | | DLovinT wrote: | | Take them down, there are obvious accounts on here that are being advertised as meshers that are not in any definition of the word! |
So because there are some frauds then the real meshers have to be punished? Why don't we extend that logic and disable everyone's creator account because of the thieves? Shut down legitimate banks because of ponzi schemers? Annul all marriages because some people cheat or marry an american to get citizenship? Lets just punish everyone for the sins of a few! |
I would love to see the meshers get advertisement they deserve, hell I'll throw up the banners of who i'm dev'n off of right along with my own ...no worries there at all. Don't jump on me...all i'm saying is they stopped doing it, so why leave those from yester year up when they aren't allowing others to add. Either let them all display or don't let any..they chose to not let any but let the old ones remain, such a fail! _________________
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Whimsee
Joined: 29 Mar 2007 Posts: 1496 Location: USA - AZ
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:48 am Post subject: |
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I'm all for equality, make no mistake.
But, as some have said - I think we wander down a slippery slope when we start taking away from what some have, and others don't, due to timing.
Of course I think every mesher should have their mesher banner on their derive product pages - as a developer, I wish that were so, believe you me! But removing the ones that DO have banners up because other's do not have that advantage is dangerously similar to removing the "grandfathering" of the VIP requirement...
what's to stop the new dev from saying "I have to pay to develop, they don't, that's not fair! Remove their right to develop for free, because I have to pay!"
Food for thought. And yes, I am one of the "lucky" ones who squeaked in and got her mesh banner up....but even if I didn't, I'd feel the very same. _________________
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