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InamorataSylaraia  
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| SweetCryssy wrote: | Varsha, or any Mod who may know the answer to this:
Since you already confirmed Varsha, that links to your catalog via your badge will no longer work if you let your VIP lapse, does this also mean that links from your banner that customers may put on their hp, or that you add to your various product pages, or that you have in your signature here in the forums, will also no longer work? |
*Shakes head* Badges are such a scam. I can't believe people have shelled out millions of dollars (collectively) to IMVU for this worthless little mini-stickers. |
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Varsha
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Varsha wrote: | | Product and catalog pages will not searchable but will be available if a direct link is provided - via URL, banner links, badge links etc. |
This is updated information from earlier posts. I had gone back and confirmed what will and will not work for creators under the new process if they let their VIP lapse.
Product page if the PID is known - Will work
Catalog page link - Will work
The links above will work no matter what the source of that link is - a direct URL, banner link, badge link etc.
Products will not be shown in catalog search results if the VIP is expired for these new creators.
Of course all of this information is applicable to those creators who join the creator program after May 10th and then let their VIP subscriptions lapse.
Thank you
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DarkAngel5
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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*Friendly reminders-baiting, naming and trolling will not be tolerated and is against the forum rules. The rules can be found and read here: Forum Rules
Badges will work if those signing up after may 10th lapse on their VIP. Their catalog will however be removed from the catalog search.
A new thread can be made to discuss VIP payment options.
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Dureall
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Varsha wrote: | | Varsha wrote: | | Product and catalog pages will not searchable but will be available if a direct link is provided - via URL, banner links, badge links etc. |
This is updated information from earlier posts. I had gone back and confirmed what will and will not work for creators under the new process if they let their VIP lapse.
Product page if the PID is known - Will work
Catalog page link - Will work
The links above will work no matter what the source of that link is - a direct URL, banner link, badge link etc.
Products will not be shown in catalog search results if the VIP is expired for these new creators.
Of course all of this information is applicable to those creators who join the creator program after May 10th and then let their VIP subscriptions lapse.
Thank you |
So a little clarification.
If I click on a banner of a VIP who let their membership lapse, will I be able to view their catalog as I normally would if I was to look at someones catalog or would it be a blank page?
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Varsha
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | So a little clarification.
If I click on a banner of a VIP who let their membership lapse, will I be able to view their catalog as I normally would if I was to look at someones catalog or would it be a blank page? |
If the banner link is straight to the catalog (such as this) then yes, you will be able to use the banner link.
Thank you.
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InamorataSylaraia
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Varsha, you might have missed my question several pages back, or I might have missed your reply, although I have been keeping up with this thread as best I can: Does IMVU plan to put the proceeds from their new VIP/Create Mode policy towards better security? |
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s4F_disabled_12416706
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Varsha wrote: | | Quote: | So a little clarification.
If I click on a banner of a VIP who let their membership lapse, will I be able to view their catalog as I normally would if I was to look at someones catalog or would it be a blank page? |
If the banner link is straight to the catalog (such as this) then yes, you will be able to use the banner link.
Thank you. |
still unclear with the catalog visibility...
ur link pointed to DA5 catalog... let say DA5 is new creator who lapse the membership...
what happen with her catty?.. can we still see her products on her catalog after we click the link?...
thx....
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KRW
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Varsha wrote: | | Quote: | So a little clarification.
If I click on a banner of a VIP who let their membership lapse, will I be able to view their catalog as I normally would if I was to look at someones catalog or would it be a blank page? |
If the banner link is straight to the catalog (such as this) then yes, you will be able to use the banner link.
Thank you. |
thank you for explaining this.
for the whole length of this thread i assumed that there's no way to link to the catalog at all after grandfathering / when newer vip lapses
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MystyRainbow
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 2:53 am Post subject: |
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| DarkAngel5 wrote: | Matt is for the VIP changes. The truth is IMVU was just too cheap to create a merchant pass. They were always intending to charge a fee to develop for their reasons stated. However since the merchant pass may have taken some time and effort they went with VIP. No shock there.
This has been discussed in several threads and was stated by Varsha two to three weeks ago when a thread was created to ask about the merchant pass. it was also discussed at a few cons. (cons are gatherings of staff and devs in real life to talk about the site and IMVU's intended changes). The only difference is its VIP not merchant pass. Matt's posting would just be repeating what he has already said and what IMVU has decided on already. It's really no loss. IMVU is not asking us what we think they are stating changes.
*Links outside of IMVU to staff and or posting staff's addy's ect will be removed. Attacking employees on or off IMVU will not get us anything and make staff more distant. Reasons obvious. I wouldn’t want to deal with anyone outside my job or those who bypass the normal means to contact me. It would be frightening in fact. Staff is using this thread only to discuss the issue and will avoid, ignore and reject any other forms of communication by us. |
No offence, but I would like to see Matt explain his position himself. When I spoke with matt on several occasions ... sometime ago I admit ... he had big hopes for the creator program and making it inclusive. He spoke of polling IMVU had done in which most people claimed they were developers, but in fact they weren't. His dream at the time was of something like the amateur idea, where people could basically make their own adventure. He explained what he wanted to me as people who weren't creators/developers being able to change colour, lighting etc of their own items and use them. They would not be able to add them to the catalogue, but would be prompted and asked if they would like to be a developer and linked to tutorials if they wanted. That dream is nothing like what we are getting now. I want to hear from the man himself regarding his position on what we are being forced to swallow now.
And yes, there usually is more background to my questions than I choose to publicly share.
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MaliciousPanders
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 4:18 am Post subject: |
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| MystyRainbow wrote: | | DarkAngel5 wrote: | Matt is for the VIP changes. The truth is IMVU was just too cheap to create a merchant pass. They were always intending to charge a fee to develop for their reasons stated. However since the merchant pass may have taken some time and effort they went with VIP. No shock there.
This has been discussed in several threads and was stated by Varsha two to three weeks ago when a thread was created to ask about the merchant pass. it was also discussed at a few cons. (cons are gatherings of staff and devs in real life to talk about the site and IMVU's intended changes). The only difference is its VIP not merchant pass. Matt's posting would just be repeating what he has already said and what IMVU has decided on already. It's really no loss. IMVU is not asking us what we think they are stating changes.
*Links outside of IMVU to staff and or posting staff's addy's ect will be removed. Attacking employees on or off IMVU will not get us anything and make staff more distant. Reasons obvious. I wouldn’t want to deal with anyone outside my job or those who bypass the normal means to contact me. It would be frightening in fact. Staff is using this thread only to discuss the issue and will avoid, ignore and reject any other forms of communication by us. |
No offence, but I would like to see Matt explain his position himself. When I spoke with matt on several occasions ... sometime ago I admit ... he had big hopes for the creator program and making it inclusive. He spoke of polling IMVU had done in which most people claimed they were developers, but in fact they weren't. His dream at the time was of something like the amateur idea, where people could basically make their own adventure. He explained what he wanted to me as people who weren't creators/developers being able to change colour, lighting etc of their own items and use them. They would not be able to add them to the catalogue, but would be prompted and asked if they would like to be a developer and linked to tutorials if they wanted. That dream is nothing like what we are getting now. I want to hear from the man himself regarding his position on what we are being forced to swallow now.
And yes, there usually is more background to my questions than I choose to publicly share. |
I totally agree with this =/ because I highly doubt someone who had such high hopes for the creator program would agree to this...er.. idea |
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InamorataSylaraia
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 5:17 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, I remember those 'promises.' They were linked directly to the catalog re-org announcement/polls, five million products ago. |
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Mommajack
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 5:58 am Post subject: |
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| Varsha wrote: | | Varsha wrote: | | Product and catalog pages will not searchable but will be available if a direct link is provided - via URL, banner links, badge links etc. |
This is updated information from earlier posts. I had gone back and confirmed what will and will not work for creators under the new process if they let their VIP lapse.
Product page if the PID is known - Will work
Catalog page link - Will work
The links above will work no matter what the source of that link is - a direct URL, banner link, badge link etc.
Products will not be shown in catalog search results if the VIP is expired for these new creators.
Of course all of this information is applicable to those creators who join the creator program after May 10th and then let their VIP subscriptions lapse.
Thank you |
So if someone manages to get to a particular product page, then below in the 'also purchased' section is a link to another of your products, they can get to that second product also? Or will any of your own products appear in that section? |
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InamorataSylaraia
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:28 am Post subject: |
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| Mommajack wrote: | | Varsha wrote: | | Varsha wrote: | | Product and catalog pages will not searchable but will be available if a direct link is provided - via URL, banner links, badge links etc. |
This is updated information from earlier posts. I had gone back and confirmed what will and will not work for creators under the new process if they let their VIP lapse.
Product page if the PID is known - Will work
Catalog page link - Will work
The links above will work no matter what the source of that link is - a direct URL, banner link, badge link etc.
Products will not be shown in catalog search results if the VIP is expired for these new creators.
Of course all of this information is applicable to those creators who join the creator program after May 10th and then let their VIP subscriptions lapse.
Thank you |
So if someone manages to get to a particular product page, then below in the 'also purchased' section is a link to another of your products, they can get to that second product also? Or will any of your own products appear in that section? |
Uh-oh. I think you found somewhere they forgot to screw over people who don't pay for VIP. |
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LizzieBorden
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| InamorataSylaraia wrote: | | Mommajack wrote: | | Varsha wrote: | | Varsha wrote: | | Product and catalog pages will not searchable but will be available if a direct link is provided - via URL, banner links, badge links etc. |
This is updated information from earlier posts. I had gone back and confirmed what will and will not work for creators under the new process if they let their VIP lapse.
Product page if the PID is known - Will work
Catalog page link - Will work
The links above will work no matter what the source of that link is - a direct URL, banner link, badge link etc.
Products will not be shown in catalog search results if the VIP is expired for these new creators.
Of course all of this information is applicable to those creators who join the creator program after May 10th and then let their VIP subscriptions lapse.
Thank you |
So if someone manages to get to a particular product page, then below in the 'also purchased' section is a link to another of your products, they can get to that second product also? Or will any of your own products appear in that section? |
Uh-oh. I think you found somewhere they forgot to screw over people who don't pay for VIP. |
LMAO...  =^.^=
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AnakaTarren
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:31 am Post subject: |
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This post from the original VIP Creator thread in the Announcements forum (click here) sums up the problem better than any others I’ve seen, but also has solid advice for both IMVU as well as for some angry Creators.
| Auntiepjl wrote: |
Mod hat off
It doesn't matter if ending grandfathering is planned or not.
NO ONE BELIEVES that IMVU will not do this. No one trusts IMVU. I simply cannot understand why IMVU seems to think that customer trust is unimportant. Ask flipping Gerald Ratner* what happens when customers cease to trust a company. He went from a huge success to bankrupt because a throwaway comment made his customers lose trust in his products.
Who will buy credits when they believe that IMVU may actually fail to weather this storm?
Will people waste money when creators are hiding their catalogues? Waste money when Devs talk about destroying their products even if people have bought them?
I may continue to submit for my own use, because that's mainly what I have always done. but while I don't expect grandfathering to end any time soon, right now I am more sceptical of IMVU's continued existence than I have ever been in the previous storms.
I would expect everyone to be cutting back on spending to see if IMVU is going to come through, and that cutting back may well be the nails in the coffin if IMVU does not act soon to restore creator trust.
IMVU you need to rethink and you need to do it very quickly. I do not think that you intend to end grandfathering, but if people continue to be afraid to create and to threaten to ruin bought products, others will be afraid to buy (because who will buy a product if they think the dev may destroy its textures or meshes? I certainly won't.)
With fewer people submitting and fewer people buying, grandfathering becomes irrelevant as the flow of credits and money slows down. IMVU think quickly and act faster. You made a mistake with this. Please, for sanity's sake, rethink.
Additional paragraph [to angry creators]:
Our customers are OUR customers and not IMVU's. One person has likened attacking our customers to defending yourself in the street against attack, but attacking our customers is more like picking yourself up from that attack, walking down the street and punching out a person chosen at random sitting at the cafe!
Our customers are not attacking us. Our customers are innocent bystanders most of whom do not know anything about this. Our customers have the right to expect professionalism and honest conduct from us, as we expect it from IMVU. Whether we feel that we are getting it from IMVu is irrelevant to our conduct to our own customers.
Or it should be.
Attacking customers, many of whom are CHILDREN, is unacceptable. Point your ire at IMVU and not at the innocents who bought from you in good faith. |
[Asterisk and words in brackets above are mine.]
I'm glad to see Varsha now backpeddling on the former threats/plans to disable links from lapsed VIP-creator badges and banners. But occasional backpedding doesn't bridge the overall lack of trust and anger created by IMVU announcements/denials/actions that are increasingly insulting, dismissive, threatening, and in some instances directly damaging. It's ok to make corporate changes, but don't abuse and insult your customers/creators while doing so.
* For more information on how Gerald Ratner's 1991 comments insulting his customers created an immediate corporate loss of £500 million in value, nearly collasping his firm and forcing his resignation, click here.
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