Official Role Play Council/Referees/Judges

Thecyberbully · Joined: 27 Jan 2011 Posts: 44 Location: United Kingdom

Okay, so a super team of awesome ninja powered Judges.. Sure why not? Lets allow the control given to people that seem to be able to understand the basics of role play with in each and every set time zones/ Eras. Understanding OOC , as well as IC, about certain issues. Meaning, from others attacking them IC wise, to a further understanding of Role play and the Turn based style fighting.

But, how about this... How about IMVU gives them this? See what I did? It is not up to us.. EVEN THOUGH I AGREE that their should be one set of judges with a set amount of things. And no, not eliteness or snobby. You have "judges or refs" in most things. I mean, you play a friendly football game , some one is mostly going to be the ref. > Makes that said person a elite? Hur hur.

Since as the role play, and the agreed Role play rules.. Even though they need to be with in the tos of the site, which, as we all know that Kinda keeping Tos ruling with in a -IC- story is hard. How many times have IMVU been sent logs of IC actions or w/e and people making it out that it was not IC? See? Either way you look at it, all you need is some one to just flag the chat and poof. Good bye account.
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CountVladDracula · Joined: 07 Oct 2010 Posts: 8085 Location: USA - NY

The problem is not every RP follows the same rules. T1 is a guideline, not the universal standard. Each game has different rules for what is allowed or acceptable. A team of judges can't possibly learn all the different forms of role play and what is valid to one might not be valid to another. In the end it's always up to the discretion of the room owner and their mods, whether we agree with it or not.

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Lulipopz · Joined: 20 Jan 2011 Posts: 21 Location: USA - NJ

CountVladDracula · Joined: 07 Oct 2010 Posts: 8085 Location: USA - NY

I don't think everyone would want that.

rubytuesdayhr · Joined: 20 Jul 2007 Posts: 2165 Location: Isle of Man

There is a large group of rp'ers that tp on a certain theme here in IMVU, that I cannot name because it is ap. The large group is broken down into subgroups of cities, with each city having a different group of ppl as citizens. There are frequent rp fightts, and some kills, and all the problems mentioned here occur there. There aer a couple of groups that are generally about their theme, helping ppl to coordinate their rp's and apply the canon. A couple of the groups have panels of experts that are generally recognize as fair, and chat logs of fights can be sumbitted to them for review. They do generally use T1 for fights if the fights are preplanned in ooc, but sometimes the fight and/or kill happens in a looser type of rp, and so this is judged by how possible the moves in a post are.
So, I agree that one group for everybody's rp is not reasonable, but that it is possible to creae a group and panel that would be attached to a group of rp'ers that could review and give opinions. the group I mentioned does say that their decisions are opinions and not hard and fast decrees.

CountVladDracula · Joined: 07 Oct 2010 Posts: 8085 Location: USA - NY

But each RP usually already has a GM / room owner and moderators for maintaining order within that particular game's rules. If two different games clash than like good children they should play separately. Most of us are mature adults, are we not?

GrimJaweMystique · Joined: 02 Jul 2010 Posts: 1 Location: USA - IL

A set of judges? Is that possible? Real Unbiased refs/judges? Your kidding me right?

It sounds like a perfectly plausible idea if you ask me. Why couldn't it be done? An elaborate task to undergo and yet perfectly applicable if constructed and upheld appropriately that is.

There are so many times that people do not understand the concept of T1 and the various methods to be used within. Oh say, I don't know, magic? So many people have so many different opinions on this very topic. With such diversity comes arguments and from such drama escalates and from there next thing you know 3,000 chat logs later stemming back over the last 2 years, 100 reports and then the use of an off site administrator to ward of 1 minor individual takes place. (I’ve actually seen the scenario multiple times, this is the saddening part about it.) Interesting, if there was a set of refs, or judges available to the client, the entire tasteless fiasco is then avoided all together.

Now lets talk judges and refs shall we? I think we shall! If ever such a congregation of roleplayers were put into formation it would alleviate many of the problematic events that so often take place. This particular assembly would need to be derived of several individuals that had several years of experience and showed a level of comprehension to roleplay itself. Additionally this group would need to work as a unit and as a whole utilize an agreeable code founded for the roleplay in general.

But Grim, we should be able to play how we want! I mean this is just a game! I deny these idea's..

With every game comes a set of rules. Without these rules there is disorder and chaos. Could you imagine monopoly without a turn base? Could you imagine RISK without cards? What about D&D without some magic’s pertaining to certain races? No! Each game has a set of rules and regulations that are generally followed, unless they are by players whom cannot yet understand the proper play of the game. Much can be said the same for Roleplay. There has long since been a general set of rules that has applied to us. No god modding. No Mixing. No Auto hitting, No Metagaming. So if we as roleplayers can establish that set of fundamentals, and most agree on how they apply, why couldn't we do that with the combat system?

In addition there would have to actually be an unbiased and fully educated party to serve in these positions. The problem would thus then remain, how would you find such a party? That can remain up to the board, much like the decision to actually have this variety of office. This would prove to be a most difficult task to handle appropriately at any rate, primarily due to the fact so many whom love their antics would find a reason to complain about this formation of people as well. So could we ever truly have such a thing? One can only ponder.

I will tell you this much however, it would create a lot less stress in which would increase the number of individuals who put this client to use, which would increase product sales in memberships to A.P, V.I.P, Credits and the store merchandise. Something to consider, wouldn’t you agree? At any rate there is nothing wrong with order, it is something that should be considered a positive thing. Good luck however an actually producing and maintaining such a feat.

Plausible yes, likely to happen, most likely not.
(Ps. This is just an opinion. Whether debatable or otherwise. )

IshikaruTanaka · Joined: 16 Oct 2006 Posts: 391 Location: Japan

@Luli - The last thing I'm going to say on this is I was never trying to personally attack you. I simply feel this "Some secret group of people hate you all. Just sayin', yo." stuff is unnecessary. How about you and me agree to drop the whole thing and it's never brought up again, yes? Truce?

@Everyone else - Sweet Shiva in a sidecar! Why are we all so desperate to force other people to do as we want? None of you pay me enough to have to play by your rules. It sounds like a bunch of 14 year olds who are squealing like stuck pigs that they can't hold supremacy in some online world to make up for the lack of control and power they wield in junior high.

IMVU is not your ego machine! We are not here to make you feel important, powerful, right, or validated! If SatanGodLord6969 didn't take a hit or kill fairly, DON'T PLAY WITH HIM ANYMORE! This is not rocket science! *slams head into brick wall until bleeding and crushed in* When you played pretend/cowboys and indians/cops and robbers in kindergarten, did you ask the teacher at recess to tell little Billy that he was TOO shot and he has to fall down and go AAaAAaUuuugh? Because I'll bet Mrs. Recess Teacher told you to figure it out yourselves.

You want World of Warcraft? GO PLAY WORLD OF WARCRAFT. Please let IMVU be IMVU, eh?

I do have to ask. Let's say you got your judges/moderators/whateverr systemm to judge RP. What if I had a fighting room and I, as its RIGHTFUL AND DULY "I PAID FOR IT" OWNER didn't want to be part of your litttle RP judginess? Would you try to force me into it? If you RPed in my room, attacked me, and I didn't take the hit or kill in a way you thought was fair, WHILE INSIDE MY (not YOURS) OWN, PREVIOUSLY-MENTIONED PAID FOR ROOM, would you try to report me to your courts to get me booted and banned? Because I can assure you many people won't want to be a part of your court, and I'd like to see you force them to do it.
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YardanDuran · Joined: 17 Jun 2007 Posts: 3287 Location: USA - LA

Lulipopz · Joined: 20 Jan 2011 Posts: 21 Location: USA - NJ

This topic really never was about forcing another player into an uncomfortable area, it was more of a hypothetical scenario, when I brought it up it wasn't about you must do this or that. It was just a recommendation that I wanted to bring to life on the forums. It's had a lot of honest, and sincere responses. Thank you to everyone who replied. It really shows the desires and whims of those willing to speak out on the issue.

At first I was going to lulz it off as a '' just throw it up and see '' but now it's become kind of popular I guess, didn't expect that. I really underestimated it. I've got to say that in my experience I have personally seen rooms where the moderator isn't there to ''judge'' as they said in their own words, and said they wouldn't kick/boot anyone unless it was completely necessary. Then had said they would rather the two sides in question to bring in their own judges/people and when they did it was one big fiasco. Mainly due to this person knowing that person so they discredited the other person's attack/defense while the other side was saying it was the person accusing that didn't do something right. It was a huge mess.

In that regards, I can see why an official panel of judges run by players wouldn't be such a bad thing but like so many have pointed out that to have a completely unbiased opinion the judges would have to be impartial to both groups while maintaining a ''jack of all trades'' understanding of the rules.

I have read through all of your responses, weighed in all opinions, and the poll is just crazy. It's some amazing reads from all of you, your opinions are an incredible insight to the whole topic. Keep it coming!

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CountVladDracula · Joined: 07 Oct 2010 Posts: 8085 Location: USA - NY

Because as we have told you multiple times there is no way for these judges to know the particular rules of this or that room. Two players might argue because one player allows Gods in their game and another does not. The logical answer is the God shouldn't play in the other room.

And if a room doesn't have it's owner or moderators present ...I would rather not play in there anyway. We're not children on a playground needing to find a grown up because Timmy refuses to be It or because little Sarah says you count to twenty in Hide and Seek and not fifty.

Saywihee · Joined: 05 Jul 2007 Posts: 392 Location: USA - IL

Might I point out that something like this would be bringing politics into roleplaying.

and think about this seriously.

I mean really Seriously.

Do you really want to bring politics into Roleplaying?

Seriously?

I mean, think about how much the grand majority of us HATE politics in any country.

do we really want to add that to a recreational activity? However serious we are about it?
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CountVladDracula · Joined: 07 Oct 2010 Posts: 8085 Location: USA - NY

We're all just repeating ourselves at this point.

Isn't it supposed to be a sign of insanity to do the same thing again and again, expecting different results?

Oh, well. Doubt I was sane to begin with...

StarPhoenix · Joined: 21 May 2007 Posts: 1013 Location: USA - GA