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StormyMzBehavin 
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 Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:52 pm Post subject: Boot? |
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| Just a quick question really. I just updated to the latest version because someone told me how "awesome" it is. LOL! Stupid me. I knew there was a reason I gave up updating nearly a year ago. But anyway, my question is this: What happened to the ability to boot people from your public room? That wasn't listed as one of the "improvements" made in this upgrade. So people can come in and be idiots and we can't do a damn thing about it? Lovely! thanks a bunch IMVU! |
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Mikanojo 
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:42 pm Post subject: Re: Boot? |
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| StormyMzBehavin wrote: | | Just a quick question really. I just updated to the latest version because someone told me how "awesome" it is. LOL! Stupid me. I knew there was a reason I gave up updating nearly a year ago. But anyway, my question is this: What happened to the ability to boot people from your public room? That wasn't listed as one of the "improvements" made in this upgrade. So people can come in and be idiots and we can't do a damn thing about it? Lovely! thanks a bunch IMVU! |
According to Varsha and to at least one person who even took pictures of where they found it, the boot option is still available under the Block link from an avatar card. So you would click on either the name or the i button on the person you need to boot, choose block from the bottom of the avatar card and then you should see boot as an option..
But according to some people who have already tried that.. not every one HAS this option.
Version 468.4 HAS the boot option added to the avatar menu!
The birds-eye view is broken so decorating is a problem.. but you can boot people again.
So i guess choose what ever you need more?
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MrsLizR
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:41 pm Post subject: Flagging |
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What concerns me about all this is... What happens when people are using this as a means of just pure hate, and being vindictive? I have been on IMVU now for 4 years and not once had a complaint, TOS Violations, or issues period. Now i have someone harassing me and in 1 days i get 3 notices from IMVU saying that I have "Inappropriate" pics. I know what pics I have, i know what I do on IMVU. I have read the TOS rules and nothing I do on here violates any of them. So who looks over these "Claims" one at a time and says "Oh this one is legit' and sends out these notices. Or is there so much coming in that until the persons account actually gets disabled they just send out the warnings and not REALLY look at the claim.?
I am so upset, i have seen this happening more and more often since this whole flag option became available. I thought it was horrible when people were being disabled, Avi pics being changed. Now its happened to me, and i know for a fact there is NOTHING inappropriate about my pics.
And how do you get 3 warnings in one day? And what next, these people keep harassing me, keep finding things to flag me for and then I get disabled and harassed all at the same time? Why cant we see who flagged us, and why don't we know EXACTLY what it was we were flagged for? If me dancing with my fiance and kissing him, fully clothed is inappropriate then I'm guilty. But nothing more than that. 
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Mikanojo
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:15 am Post subject: Re: Flagging |
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| KnightsLadyLiz wrote: | What concerns me about all this is... What happens when people are using this as a means of just pure hate, and being vindictive? I have been on IMVU now for 4 years and not once had a complaint, TOS Violations, or issues period. Now i have someone harassing me and in 1 days i get 3 notices from IMVU saying that I have "Inappropriate" pics. I know what pics I have, i know what I do on IMVU. I have read the TOS rules and nothing I do on here violates any of them. So who looks over these "Claims" one at a time and says "Oh this one is legit' and sends out these notices. Or is there so much coming in that until the persons account actually gets disabled they just send out the warnings and not REALLY look at the claim.?
I am so upset, i have seen this happening more and more often since this whole flag option became available. I thought it was horrible when people were being disabled, Avi pics being changed. Now its happened to me, and i know for a fact there is NOTHING inappropriate about my pics.
And how do you get 3 warnings in one day? And what next, these people keep harassing me, keep finding things to flag me for and then I get disabled and harassed all at the same time? Why cant we see who flagged us, and why don't we know EXACTLY what it was we were flagged for? If me dancing with my fiance and kissing him, fully clothed is inappropriate then I'm guilty. But nothing more than that. |
To answer your question, it is Customer Service staff members who are expected to follow up on the flags and verify if in fact there is a violation or not.
In theory, some one could report us for some thing 100 times in a day, every day, and if there actually was no violation then no warning would be given at all - but CS staff is human, they make mistakes too and the strange part is that CS seems reluctant to investigate the possibility of a mistake made by a CS member - and THAT is a problem that needs attention.
in the past i had sections of mai homepage set as AP, while the general setting of the page was GA. That meant that any one could visit and see mai page, but only those with AP could see those sections - i was falsely accused many times by visitors of having AP content visible on mai GA page, simply because the visitors HAD AP, and they saw that GA people could visit the page.
CS staff CAN see our page settings, and CAN see all sections, and are SUPPOSED to verify if a section is set AP only - and all of them DID.. until recently when a CS staff member for what ever reason did NOT bother to verify those settings. So i was suddenly warned for some thing that had been absolutely correct and NOT a violation for over 3 YEARS, and had stood up to investigation MANY times by the CS staff who DID actually investigate the page section settings.
They are only human and they make mistakes too. And they seem unwilling to double-check each others work.
So now to be safe, mai whole page is kept as AP only. i was never in violation, but there was no convincing CS of that - they felt no need to verify the work of a fellow CS member.
We all need to understand that the flagging related to these neu tools comes under the TOS section regarding Site Etiquette, bulleted point 3, where we agree to NOT:
- "Post any content that is mature or adult in nature on the "general audience" section of this Site that is inappropriate for a general audience."
The TOS has not changed in this at all. What HAS changed is the ability to report those violations. Before these tools were created, the only way to report a violation of avatar image or gallery image was to report the whole homepage using the report tool at the top of our home pages and then explain in the small text box provided.
With the addition of avatar cards, our interests also became publicly viewable - that meant that all of our interests need to be GA as well.
For those people who use their interests section to advertise their desires for involvement in illicit adult content, this is a problem. Even though they may have been advertising those things for years, they were technically NEVER acceptable if they were viewable to GA - and some people are only now becoming aware of that.
The addition of the photos section in the client made it possible for our pictures to suddenly be publicly viewable too - so they also need to be GA if they are set to be shared.
It is not enough to be covered, if your outfit is AP, or the image even shows AP content, such as smoking, drinking alcohol, or if you are in an AP pose, those are all considered AP images.
The message here is that it is better to be safe than sorry. CS is only human, and they are capable of making mistakes too.
IMVU appears to be making an effort to clean up their public image.
Given that atmosphere, the term witch hunt will become more common in the next few months - especially by those who use IMVU for prurient interests.
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tina6630
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:11 am Post subject: Re: Flagging |
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| Mikanojo wrote: | | KnightsLadyLiz wrote: | What concerns me about all this is... What happens when people are using this as a means of just pure hate, and being vindictive? I have been on IMVU now for 4 years and not once had a complaint, TOS Violations, or issues period. Now i have someone harassing me and in 1 days i get 3 notices from IMVU saying that I have "Inappropriate" pics. I know what pics I have, i know what I do on IMVU. I have read the TOS rules and nothing I do on here violates any of them. So who looks over these "Claims" one at a time and says "Oh this one is legit' and sends out these notices. Or is there so much coming in that until the persons account actually gets disabled they just send out the warnings and not REALLY look at the claim.?
I am so upset, i have seen this happening more and more often since this whole flag option became available. I thought it was horrible when people were being disabled, Avi pics being changed. Now its happened to me, and i know for a fact there is NOTHING inappropriate about my pics.
And how do you get 3 warnings in one day? And what next, these people keep harassing me, keep finding things to flag me for and then I get disabled and harassed all at the same time? Why cant we see who flagged us, and why don't we know EXACTLY what it was we were flagged for? If me dancing with my fiance and kissing him, fully clothed is inappropriate then I'm guilty. But nothing more than that. |
To answer your question, it is Customer Service staff members who are expected to follow up on the flags and verify if in fact there is a violation or not.
In theory, some one could report us for some thing 100 times in a day, every day, and if there actually was no violation then no warning would be given at all - but CS staff is human, they make mistakes too and the strange part is that CS seems reluctant to investigate the possibility of a mistake made by a CS member - and THAT is a problem that needs attention.
in the past i had sections of mai homepage set as AP, while the general setting of the page was GA. That meant that any one could visit and see mai page, but only those with AP could see those sections - i was falsely accused many times by visitors of having AP content visible on mai GA page, simply because the visitors HAD AP, and they saw that GA people could visit the page.
CS staff CAN see our page settings, and CAN see all sections, and are SUPPOSED to verify if a section is set AP only - and all of them DID.. until recently when a CS staff member for what ever reason did NOT bother to verify those settings. So i was suddenly warned for some thing that had been absolutely correct and NOT a violation for over 3 YEARS, and had stood up to investigation MANY times by the CS staff who DID actually investigate the page section settings.
They are only human and they make mistakes too. And they seem unwilling to double-check each others work.
So now to be safe, mai whole page is kept as AP only. i was never in violation, but there was no convincing CS of that - they felt no need to verify the work of a fellow CS member.
We all need to understand that the flagging related to these neu tools comes under the TOS section regarding Site Etiquette, bulleted point 3, where we agree to NOT:
- "Post any content that is mature or adult in nature on the "general audience" section of this Site that is inappropriate for a general audience."
The TOS has not changed in this at all. What HAS changed is the ability to report those violations. Before these tools were created, the only way to report a violation of avatar image or gallery image was to report the whole homepage using the report tool at the top of our home pages and then explain in the small text box provided.
With the addition of avatar cards, our interests also became publicly viewable - that meant that all of our interests need to be GA as well.
For those people who use their interests section to advertise their desires for involvement in illicit adult content, this is a problem. Even though they may have been advertising those things for years, they were technically NEVER acceptable if they were viewable to GA - and some people are only now becoming aware of that.
The addition of the photos section in the client made it possible for our pictures to suddenly be publicly viewable too - so they also need to be GA if they are set to be shared.
It is not enough to be covered, if your outfit is AP, or the image even shows AP content, such as smoking, drinking alcohol, or if you are in an AP pose, those are all considered AP images.
The message here is that it is better to be safe than sorry. CS is only human, and they are capable of making mistakes too.
IMVU appears to be making an effort to clean up their public image.
Given that atmosphere, the term witch hunt will become more common in the next few months - especially by those who use IMVU for prurient interests. |
i agree
and i also think its horrible that when you use the save outfit button (coat hanger) the picture is save into the default album.
i forgot that and after saving pics in the coat hanger and forgot to delete the pics from the album. i accept the responsibility. But its not right, imvu is the one who sent my pics to that album not me.
and of course i got 3 warnings
first off it is wrong, i saved them into my saved outfits, not the default photo album
IMVU DID! the warnings should be imvu's, because i didnt do it, the client did. its not right to receive warnings due to the fact that imvu copied the pic and placed it in the default photo album, IMVU DID.
all i did was save a outfit. and it not fair we get the warnings for it
solution:::::: imvu stop copying saved outfits to default photo albums!
its very unfair and totally wrong
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fantasiarealms
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:34 am Post subject: Sadness... There's no escaping the pretty police state... |
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Seriously... if I didn't think avatars were prettier to look at and mod for in IMVU than in Second Life, I'd leave this place and never darken its forums with questions of integrity and individuality again.
Of course, I say all this because my initial reaction was, as it always is upon finding "announcements" from the TPTB of IMVU...
"this place sucks out loud more and more..."
"inappropriate interests"
Damn it. Why don't you just go ahead and marry this place to Disney once and for all. Of course, have fun getting the parents to pony up any real money for you to babysit all the children that will swarm in at first. But then again, as has been mentioned, and to what I also agree... IMVU has this uniquely right-wing method of taking little to no ownership for what happens around here, so basically, you would be getting paid for the COMMUNITY TO BABYSIT THE BABIES YOU insist be the main focal point of a site that was originally designed for adults.
That is all. Carry on... and on... and on...
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xXBluSoldierFairyXx
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:16 am Post subject: Re: Flagging |
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| KnightsLadyLiz wrote: | What concerns me about all this is... What happens when people are using this as a means of just pure hate, and being vindictive? I have been on IMVU now for 4 years and not once had a complaint, TOS Violations, or issues period. Now i have someone harassing me and in 1 days i get 3 notices from IMVU saying that I have "Inappropriate" pics. I know what pics I have, i know what I do on IMVU. I have read the TOS rules and nothing I do on here violates any of them. So who looks over these "Claims" one at a time and says "Oh this one is legit' and sends out these notices. Or is there so much coming in that until the persons account actually gets disabled they just send out the warnings and not REALLY look at the claim.?
I am so upset, i have seen this happening more and more often since this whole flag option became available. I thought it was horrible when people were being disabled, Avi pics being changed. Now its happened to me, and i know for a fact there is NOTHING inappropriate about my pics.
And how do you get 3 warnings in one day? And what next, these people keep harassing me, keep finding things to flag me for and then I get disabled and harassed all at the same time? Why cant we see who flagged us, and why don't we know EXACTLY what it was we were flagged for? If me dancing with my fiance and kissing him, fully clothed is inappropriate then I'm guilty. But nothing more than that. |
ON TOPIC
i agree with you here on this one as well coz i scared like heck to do anything here there's many WICKED people in this thing ..... here's a tip when you see and read drama is to block and boot one time or simply ignore.... coz for one where i am from credits too expensive to buy and i /we spent too much money here.... AND SINCE I SEEN MY MONEY'S WORTH I AM HAPPY , but i leaving the wicked people in the hands of God
My father as i come online and type , i pray to you to seek your faith and your holy spirit, please protect and heal my imvu friends and everyone that i know and help IMVU staff from being so greedy and also remove all problems that imvu create, I REBUKE ALL PROBLEMS AND ALL DRAMA ..... in Jesus name Amen
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TinaGemini
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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Only responding to Varsha's 1st post.
I do not agree with this change, its another useless bounty hunt to go flag crazy as I've seen too many do in the past "just cause". No reason given or anything. Then imvu sends a bunch of messages stating this is wrong so we are going to punish you cause even though it doesn't violate tos rules, we are too lazy to truely look into the problem at hand. So thank you 4 making it so much easier for others to continue to flag without merrit. Its why most of the updates you do get ignored cause no one wants to be caged up in their personalities due to others maliciousness. So I wont be updating, thanks but no thanks, I'm not doing your job 4 you.
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xXBluSoldierFairyXx
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| fantasiarealms wrote: | | Seriously... if I didn't think avatars were prettier to look at and mod for in IMVU than in Second Life, I'd leave this place and never darken its forums with questions of integrity and individuality again.. |
well imvu avatars looks way better than second life .... but they to NEED TO step up and they to put a obscene filter and auto boot for cursing and very laggy kbs(meaning that if a person kbs is 3000 and i have it set for 2500 that person cant enter and a message will pop up for them to read) i have seen this in other places so imvu take this idea PLEASE |
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Mikanojo
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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@ TinaGemini
Actually, posting adult content that is viewable to the General Audience of IMVU IS a violation of the TOS and has been since i joined in 2007. It may be older than that.
These tools only make it much easier to flag the AP and UFI content in GA viewable avatar cards and GA viewable aspects of our homepages..
Where IMVU made their big mistake in this issue is to simply let that information sit in the TOS, and not lift a finger to enforce it unless there is a complaint.
People uneducated about the TOS did not know the rules, and those who did know the rules had to take a strange direction to report these things - until now.
Before these tools were available the whole homepage had to be reported.
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iiJuicySantiago
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| I THINK THIS IS JUST SOMETHING BEING ADDED NEW TO IMVU YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO FLAG PPL AND PRODUCTS NOW I THINK ITS JUST A BETTER WAY OF LETTING PPL HAVE THE UPPER HAND WITH DRAMA BECAUSE NOW IF PPL HAVEN'T NOTICED ITS A LOT MORE PPL BEING DISABLED SINCE THE LAST 2 UPDATES ON IMVU. |
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Fetische
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| So why not just break IMVU off into two groups, one be "disney Imvu" and the other be "Imvu Adult"? That way they both get their way, and we get to keep our interests, plus, if they had a age verification thing to verify >only< adults were getting onto the latter, it wouldn't be over-run with kids wanting to be baby-sat all day at our expense. |
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Miquires
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, so pretty much this is IMVU censorship. You want to make this kid safe? Sorry, but in my short time of being here, I've found that IMVU is anything but kid-friendly. One of the earlier comments said that IMVU had a red light district? A more accurate term would be 'IMVU has a general audience district' because there are so many adult-themed things on here. If you guys wanna censor IMVU like this, then you may as well get rid of all the AP stuff on here. If you don't then you will have some ***-nugget(s) (excuse my french) reporting just about every item and every user on here.
EDIT: Bwahaha. See that? There is censorship that is actually CALLED for. I'm cool with that. |
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Mikanojo
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| Miquires wrote: | Okay, so pretty much this is IMVU censorship. You want to make this kid safe? Sorry, but in my short time of being here, I've found that IMVU is anything but kid-friendly. One of the earlier comments said that IMVU had a red light district? A more accurate term would be 'IMVU has a general audience district' because there are so many adult-themed things on here. If you guys wanna censor IMVU like this, then you may as well get rid of all the AP stuff on here. If you don't then you will have some ***-nugget(s) (excuse my french) reporting just about every item and every user on here.
EDIT: Bwahaha. See that? There is censorship that is actually CALLED for. I'm cool with that. |
For the people who are focused primarily in the red light district of IMVU, it can certainly seem that it is much bigger than the GA section. And when you look at some of the insane prices of some of the AP content, you could easily imagine that the AP economy is what is keeping IMVU profitable, but honestly it is not.
Actually the GA section is larger, the GA membership is much larger than the AP membership, the GA catalog is much larger than the AP catalog, and GA sales far outnumber AP sales so many more people are buying credits to buy GA things and only a small portion of them are buying credits for the AP things.
The AP district of IMVU IS lucrative.. sexual content always sells.
But i am in complete agreement with the idea of separating teen IMVU from adult IMVU and have been suffering the slings and arrows directed at me personally in another forum thread about that very idea.
Apparently some adults feel they have the 'right' to be contacting, involved with, mentoring and influencing other peoples children in IMVU, and they scream at me for even proposing the notion that they should be separated from the children they come to 'play' with.
It is honestly very frightening.
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JohnnaNotJohn
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| Okay heres my thing wouldnt it have been better to just have ap cards as ap cards so the kids coudnt view them like it is on our hp problem solved everyones happy? just a thought! |
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