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DarkAngel5  Moderator
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:26 am Post subject: Upcoming Change: Credit Escrow for IMVU's Creators Part 2 |
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Upcoming Change: Credit Escrow for IMVU's Creators Part 2
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Hi, this thread is a continuation of the original thread located: Here
Staff will continue to post and respond to all questions from the first thread and the second thread.
[quote="Varsha"]In the near future, we will institute a delay before Creators receive Credits earned from the sale of virtual goods in the Catalog. This delay is called “Credit Escrow.”
We want you to be aware of these plans in advance so you can be prepared for any implications this might have for your Creator account.
What is Credit Escrow?
Today, Creators immediately receive their credits when another user buys one of their products or its derivation. Once Credit Escrow is implemented, Creator credits will be placed in escrow, a kind of a holding account, and not added immediately to available credit balances at the time products are sold. The credits placed in escrow will not be immediately available for the Creator to use or transfer. The Creator will have to wait for a certain period of time, discussed below, before the credits are available to use or transfer.
This escrow process is similar to the real world process of cashing a check. When you cash a check, it isn’t immediately available for withdrawal. The bank won’t make the check’s funds available until it “clears” (when the check writer’s bank says that the writer had enough money in their account to cover the check).
Many other online businesses also use a similar approach in order to protect buyers and sellers. Apple, for example, doesn’t release money to an iPhone application developer until 45 days after the end of the month of the purchase to ensure safety in a transaction.
Why Escrow?
We are implementing the new credit escrow process to protect the integrity of the IMVU economy and discourage credit theft, payment fraud, UFI content submission, and account takeovers. We are protecting Creators, users and IMVU.
We want everyone’s IMVU experience to be fun and safe. Like you, we wish everyone followed the rules, but the reality is that there are people looking to “beat” the system at your expense. Often, by the time IMVU becomes aware of some of these activities, the Credits have been used and are impossible to trace, harming Creators, users, and IMVU.
In particular, we’ve noticed that Creator accounts tend to be targeted for account takeovers since they usually have larger Credit balances than average users. Account takeovers and other types of fraud harm Creators the most, since large amounts of artificially generated Credits in the economy decrease their value for you and Resellers.
We don’t pretend we can ever completely defeat fraudsters, but Credit Escrow will help both you and IMVU dramatically diminish fraudsters. Importantly, Credit Escrow will help us to restore Credits to the rightful owner.
How Will Credit Escrow Work?
Only Credits will be placed in escrow.
Promotional Credits will not be placed in escrow, so developer tokens will still be available for immediate use if the purchases were made with Promotional Credits.
Creators will be able to see how many Credits they have in escrow as well as when those Credits will be available in a new section of Creator Reports titled Escrow Schedule.
In almost all cases, Credits in escrow will become available to Creators per the escrow schedule (see below). However, if a customer made the purchase with fraudulently obtained Credits, and IMVU discovers the fraud prior to the end of the escrow period, then IMVU will reverse the transaction.
Should this happen, the Creator will be sent a message with the details, the Credits involved in the transaction will be removed from the escrow account, and the product purchased with the fraudulent Credits will be removed from the purchaser’s inventory.
Escrow Schedule:
If you signed up to be an IMVU Creator BEFORE the date of the change, your escrow/hold period will initially be one (1) day.
The escrow period will be gradually increased in weekly increments until all creators have a 30-day escrow period.
We hope this incremental increase in escrow periods will allow you to plan and to manage your Creator account better and to help us address any bugs in the implementation (we hope there won’t be any!).
Example: If the date of the change is September 1, 2011
Credits earned between Sep 1 – 7 --- Escrowed for 1 day
Credits earned between Sep 8 – 14 --- Escrowed for 7 days
Credits earned between Sep 15 – 21 --- Escrowed for 14 days
Credits earned between Sep 22 – 28 --- Escrowed for 21 days
Credits earned on or after Sep 29 --- Escrowed for 30 days
If you sign up to be an IMVU Creator AFTER the date of the change, your escrow/hold period will begin with and stay at 30 days. In the future, we may raise or lower the escrow period at our own discretion, always seeking to protect Creators, users and IMVU.
We will communicate further details when the escrow change is live… so stay tuned.
Thank you, and we appreciate your support toward our efforts to make your IMVU experience a great one.
Helpful graph for those who signed up before the change:
| Dalamar1013 wrote: | Because some have said... on earlier pages... it's helpfull... here is a visual of what the proposed schedule would look like...
There are only three staggered weeks where credits... from your catalog sales only... are held temporarily. With normal flowing weeks between them. Then all credits flow at the same rate as they were earned the month prior. |
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Angelskiss2007
Joined: 17 Dec 2007 Posts: 3210 Location: USA - IL
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:47 am Post subject: |
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How will this affect my tiers?
Staff has stated that tiers will not be affected by this. All sales and credits earned will be counted as the time it was made, but you just won't receive the credits until 30 days after the sale. So, to reiterate, you will make a sale and credits earned at a certain time, and this information will be recorded and evaluated in tiers, and then you will receive your profit 30 days from the sale.
Will there be a clear, visible way for us to check our escrow balance?
Yes. There will be a new report that allows to you see the credits that are currently held in escrow and their scheduled delivery dates.
| Varsha wrote: | Please note that once the 30-day period is established, it will be an ongoing process. You will still earn credits every day as you do now - except with a 30-day delay.
Thus every day you will get credits that you earned 30 days ago on an ongoing basis.
We will have a new section in the Creator reports called Escrow Schedule that will give details about what you have in escrow and exactly what you can expect to receive and when.
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Wait, so when do I get my credits?
Please note again that your credits will NOT be held and delivered in bulk, but delivered exactly the way they were received. For example, you won't get all of September's credits on October 31. Instead, for all the sales on September 1, you will receive those credits on October 1.
| Varsha wrote: | | You will see immediately when a sale has happened and credits have been added to your escrow schedule. They will be delivered correctly to your credit balance for your use 30 days after the sale. The escrow schedule will tell you exactly how many credits will be delivered and when. |
How can I be part of the transition testing? I want to see for myself how this works.
IMVU will be inviting developers to join in the test.
| DarkAngel5 wrote: | | Hi, I poked staff about testing. The response is: IMVU will be inviting developers to test the new escrow set up. This will be a small group of testers chosen by IMVU. Testing will not be open to applications. Thanks |
Will we earn interest on these credits?
No.
| Varsha wrote: | | ChloeLoveSmith wrote: | Varsha,
I would like to know about the demands of a daily percentage rate compounded interest on the credit in escrow so that I can decide if I'm going to remain on IMVU or not. |
As I answered before, there will not be any interest payouts for credits held in escrow.
Thank you. |
Why 30 days?
IMVU did comparative research. Many similar online merchant companies have an escrow of between 14 and 45 days. IMVU went to the middle. Staff has stated that this is something that could change in the future, but for now, it remains at 30.
What about those of us that rely on support stickers for things like GASR purchases?
| Angelskiss2007 wrote: | | Bass wrote: | However, my growing concern is for the GASR, PACR, etc. If this Credit Escrow goes into effect, is it possible for IMVU to lift the Credit Transfer Limit? That way, the artists who depend on the forum to make profit for IMVU do not have to go through the 30 days waiting to receive our payment from the stickers. That would help out a lot.
Please let me know if this is a possible option.
Thank you. |
This is a great concern, but there is also an option many people don't realize (I use it often!).
If you do reach your credit transfer limit, you can submit a ticket to IMVU requesting that they do a manual transfer for you. Yes, it may take a bit of time, but I find it to be very useful for when I exceed my limit.
Note: If you are a VIP, make sure to file this under the VIP club, as usual for VIP tickets. |
Adding common Q & A's here. More are being compiled.
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As a general reminder, please be respectful of others.
In general, I have been seeing a lot of "this is not a real job" comments, and that can be hurtful to some. As many developers have stated, they DO rely on IMVU as a steady income and this change may affect them in a critical way. Please be respectful to them and not demean their hard work. For many of us, IMVU is a hobby, but for others, it is a way of life and that is serious.
Thank you.
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Walk4Autism
Joined: 12 Nov 2010 Posts: 5 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:47 am Post subject: |
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smdh, i just started dev, and now i gotta deal with this crap, smh _________________
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LuiciaBella 
Joined: 15 Dec 2009 Posts: 11 Location: USA - FL
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:48 am Post subject: |
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| I was also wondering about how our tier is affected by this? Do creators still level up and down by their sales per day and peer and forum post and income and so on.... or is there going to be a new system for the tiers? |
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Guest_EscrowAccount
Joined: 31 Aug 2011 Posts: 19 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:48 am Post subject: |
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Prepare pixels!
This is going to be a long haul until the economy recovers once they launch.
Spread the word to your friends and be pro-active to get them ready since IMVU will not notify enmasse.
I pray this will be a solution. I think we need to be sure to get ready for the obvious. I don't like this "it could be next week" thing. That is not allowing for a financial hard ship that is impending.
I suggest:
Stop Creating.
Start Selling.
Focus on what you can do....without spending any credits to do so. |
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RAJDOOT
Joined: 08 Feb 2011 Posts: 11 Location: India
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:48 am Post subject: |
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welcome to new post
ahem |
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xxxxxM0LLYxxxxx 
Joined: 06 Aug 2009 Posts: 181 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:49 am Post subject: |
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| I state again...im sorry I do not offer credit facilities on sales! and i wish that to be taken into account....unless of course customers wish to wait 30 days to receive goods! |
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LiMoncc
Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Posts: 11 Location: Slovenia
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:49 am Post subject: |
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| JusticeDiamonte wrote: | | i think imvu only cares about imvu. |
agree.
| Walk4Autism wrote: | | smdh, i just started dev, and now i gotta deal with this crap, smh |
i know how you feel. |
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RAJDOOT
Joined: 08 Feb 2011 Posts: 11 Location: India
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:50 am Post subject: |
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Tell me just one bank in this world virtual or real applying similar condition for sale xD
I am not talking about IMVU
give any other example if you have ? |
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LuiciaBella 
Joined: 15 Dec 2009 Posts: 11 Location: USA - FL
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:50 am Post subject: |
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| OK missed the post at the top .... either way i still dont get why they think holding credits for 30 days at a time is a good idea... |
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Lovey201K
Joined: 30 Jun 2008 Posts: 58 Location: USA - WI
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:50 am Post subject: |
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Ok, so the Escrow thing is going to go forward, but still my question has not been answered and I think it is a really good that should be answered to make sure things are clear to all that read the ToS.
Is the Currency part of ToS going to be updated to reflect this Escrow?
| Quote: | Currency
The Site includes in-world fictional currencies ("Currencies" or "Credits" or "Promo Credits" or "Predits" or "Dev Tokens" or "DT" - all of the foregoing are "Credits"), which may be purchased with real world currency and can then be exchanged on this Site for limited license right(s) to use a feature of our Product or a virtual product when, as, and if allowed by IMVU and subject to the terms and conditions of these Terms. IMVU may charge fees for the right to use our Credits, or may distribute our Credits without charge, in IMVU's sole discretion. Regardless of terminology used, IMVU Credits are not redeemable for any sum of real world money or monetary value from IMVU at any time. You agree that IMVU has the absolute right to manage, regulate, control, modify and/or eliminate such Credits as it sees fit in its sole discretion, in any general or specific case, and that IMVU will have no liability to you based on its exercise of such rights. IMVU Credits cannot be used for any kind of wagering, betting or gambling either within or outside of our Site. You also agree to use IMVU's Credits for all transactions involving IMVU Products or virtual products and related use rights and you agree not to create, employ, or utilize any parallel form of virtual currency in connection with any transaction on this Site. IMVU may allow for free exchange of some, all, or none of its Credits via third parties, but IMVU does not assume any responsibility associated with your transactions with such third parties. IMVU is the sole owner of Credits, and as such, retains all intellectual property rights affiliated with ownership. You acknowledge that at no time do you own, nor have any right to, the intellectual property affiliated with Credits. You are hereby prohibited from reselling or distributing Credits without the expressed written consent of IMVU. |
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Limited
Joined: 19 May 2008 Posts: 80 Location: USA - GA
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:51 am Post subject: |
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This is why in the real world places stopped accepting checks. _________________
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RAJDOOT
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:52 am Post subject: |
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we are stopping working here on imvu.
We allready earned enough to play imvu for 20 years.
I hope its long duration to let them know what they are doing day by day
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Hound
Joined: 16 Aug 2006 Posts: 18 Location: USA - NY
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:52 am Post subject: |
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| Guest_EscrowAccount wrote: | Prepare pixels!
This is going to be a long haul until the economy recovers once they launch.
Spread the word to your friends and be pro-active to get them ready since IMVU will not notify enmasse.
I pray this will be a solution. I think we need to be sure to get ready for the obvious. I don't like this "it could be next week" thing. That is not allowing for a financial hard ship that is impending.
I suggest:
Stop Creating.
Start Selling.
Focus on what you can do....without spending any credits to do so. |
Lol.
Really? |
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DarkAngel5  Moderator
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:53 am Post subject: |
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Hi, I poked staff about testing. The response is: IMVU will be inviting developers to test the new escrow set up. This will be a small group of testers chosen by IMVU. Testing will not be open to applications. Thanks _________________
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