Joined: 12 May 2008 Posts: 1411 Location: USA - NY
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:04 pm Post subject: Copy and paste entrances
This has come up in two other topics but has never had a topic of it's own. Lately people have told me that they have been booted from rooms for using a copyed and pasted character entrance and or they are heckled for it.
If you use the same entrance again and again in the same room the heckling is sort of understandable but I don't understand the booting for using a copied and pasted entrance if it's your first time in a particular room.
The entrance post is just describing your character arriving on scene, his physical appearance and maybe a little hint at his nature. What does it matter if you write it in advance or not? It certainly doesn't bother me. It's still your writing about your own character and it still fits the scene, usually.
So are you one of those people who won't play with someone for using a pre-written entrance or do you shrug it off as just an intro post? _________________
Personally, no, I don't copy and paste an entrance. Am I alright with it when others do? Ehhh........... No, not really, and I'm not being a jerk. The reasons are fairly simple.
One reason is rather silly, but~... I've seen copy and pasted first posts that were stolen. Which can often lead to number two...
I feel it is misleading... Someone comes bursting on to the scene with this massive chunk of a novel written in flourishing vocabulary~, but can you guess what happens next?
Nothing. It either took them forever to write it, ergo everyone in the RP, assuming it's TB, has to wait around... and around... Or! Their following posts don't live up the the bar they set with that first monster post. From spelling to punctuation, it all seems to go downhill really quick.
Granted there are exceptions to the rule, and I do not believe I ever booted and/or lectured about the use of a copy and pasted introduction. That's more in my 'Just shaddup and take what RP you can find, Poi. T_T' mannerisms though...
Well, this has likely all been said before. Just some food for thought. I don't think anti-Copy~n~Paste folks are always irrational idiots... Though, again, there are always exceptions to the rule~
Joined: 12 May 2008 Posts: 1411 Location: USA - NY
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:11 am Post subject:
I think I'm a little guilty of at least one overly elaborate entrance post.
When I wrote Bob's entrance post it served a purpose. There were RPers who assumed he was translucent so I went to detail to make it clear he was not.
But Dracula, he was my biggest intro. I wanted to set the atmosphere and mood for the character through his intro so I set aside about fifteen minutes to write out what I considered to be the best possible intro for him and I do copy and paste it, I admit guilt. And yes, it probably is better than the posts that come after it.
*The fog and evening air surrounding the premises seemed to stir and swirl in the darkness. A dusty mist and shades of night seemed to collect in the atmosphere. It was as if the dark particles of the substance that made up the fabric of night was being drawn tightly into a singular form that solidified into something not unlike a man. One might think the night had chosen to take corporeal form and had made itself manifest. The figure of a man moved with a sort of refined grace that one could associate with aristocracy. For all of his finery though there seemed to be something feral to him, something beastly, primal and inhuman. There was something powerful and predatory about him despite his elegance and poise. The man had a strange sort of ageless quality to him where it would be difficult to gage his exact age based upon his appearance but his fierce, burning eyes seemed very old. His footsteps were silent. His eyes burned like embers and his gaze swept over the occupants of the building.* _________________
I'm guilty of copy&paste posts, but that's because I don't want to be booted from the room for taking the 15 to 30 mins to write and think of one. x.x I always get lectured, killed and then booted for it though even after I explained my case in OOC.
I have terrible spelling, My grammar is kind of okay as far as I know. So anything I post be it an entrance or something, It's typed up in Microsoft Office first. A few of my past RP partners were fine with this, They understood that I am whatever the word or term was suppose to be here of my spelling. [Did I ever mention how I hate Firefox's spell checker? Because, I really do... I truly do hate it.]
Due to being lectured a lot and having my character killed, I've just pretty much said "Fine, I give up. You Bum-hats win." It's pretty much discouraged me from roleplaying anywhere on imvu [unless it's a room I "own".]
In a certain situations I think it' fine.
Such as when you someone posts a long entrance in a room, and the scene breaks up, meaning everyone leaves for some reason (rl issues or what have you). Then it sucks, why waste a good entrance? Go in another room and use it if it can pertain to something else. _________________
Joined: 17 Jun 2007 Posts: 3436 Location: USA - LA
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:19 am Post subject:
Sometimes I'll write one that is so good that I'll copy paste it into notepad and save it for adaptations if I enter a different room. So its not entirely copy pasted... it will have to change and adapt to the new environment. But as was said before... its a good entrance post. If the room I'm trying out sucks... why waste it? _________________
*Sips morning coffeez.* Mm... Okay. Well, I think I've been in the 'Post right ****ing now or be booted!' situation, but the way I see it... I probably did not want to Role-Play with those sorts of people anyways.
Honestly, who wants to play in a setting accepting forced/awkward entrances because s/he who enters surely is not going to immediately know what plot/story is currently going on... ?
So go ahead and let those sort jam their foot in their mouth, ne?
Now then, if you write some awesome entrance that you are proud of, alright... Great. Modify it a bit to suit the room you're in and I'll never know the difference, so that is actually a very clever idea.
And, yes, no sense in wasting a perfectly good post because the room dispersed, or on some occasions they just completely ignore you... By all means, copy and paste away. Anything else would be word-abuse and a shame. *Loves on the written word.*
All in all, there are a lot of things/reasons/past experiences that deter myself, personally, from RPing too much, period. It happened in the AOL chatrooms, Yahoo, MySpace... IMVU. Just about every interface for meeting other RPers I have ever tried, but... I suppose that is a big bulk of the reason I stick close to home. Friends' rooms, my rooms... Rooms I am comfy in... I try something new now and again, but it's always nice to have that one person or tiny ring of friends you can rely on---------
Oh goodness. I went on a babbling tangent. So sorry~
Although, seriously, on that near same tangent, ever notice how some of these places/groups of tight nit folks always have a 'Recruiting!' sign somewhere, but when it comes to really accepting new members they sort of brush them off?
Or maybe that one is just me? *Sniffs self.* Maybe I offend.
I came up with an interesting medium. One of my characters on my old account, Aaron, would teleport around with a tele-chair. (Yes, this was sci-fi RP). Because of that, he'd always enter in basically the same way... with himself, then his throne, appearing. Of course, he'd do different things afterwards, so, I have saved:
In the centre of the command platform, a medium-sized, black disk would appear on the ground. Suddunly, a series of cornering, green, lines would appear in the disk. From these green lines appears the static outline of a man. The static fizzles a bit, then the image blips. As soon as the blip is done, the image is no more - instead, there is standing the Lord Boneguard, Aaron Pythron. "Gentlemen," Aaron begins, a strong British accent in his voice, "Good day". As he said this, a disk similar to the first would appear, and repeat the same 'fizzle process' as the one before. From this, though, would come Aaron's throne.
That said, I would alter where it says '"Gentlemen," Aaron begins, a strong British accent in his voice, "Good day"' to fit the circumstance. If he came into a battle, I might put '"Well, what an interesting place to land." Aaron chuckled, drawing his lasersword'
Joined: 20 Jul 2007 Posts: 2165 Location: Isle of Man
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:05 pm Post subject:
I don't use copy and paste entrances because I don't know the rooms I'm entering and to do an elaborate entrance that is the same all of the time does not allow for the differences in the environament. so I can see how the people in a room who are in the middle of some scene are actually a bit disrupted by some grand entrance that doesn't quite fit, and even comes with an implied 'this is all about ME so be impressed by my great prefab here' , as if everybody is going to drop what they were doing to adapt to the entrance.
So I do make something up that seems to suit the room and even the entrance spot I landed on, whether in the midst of some beings, or outside. It's not elaborate. As I mentioned before it is often a variation of that I'm a traveler who happens upon this place and is hoping for some hospitality.
I can see a kind of combination that some posters have mentioned - a basic entry that is tailored to suit the scene,, and the people in the room would notice the tailoring nad appreciate it. hopefully
Joined: 25 Nov 2009 Posts: 8345 Location: USA - NE
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:14 pm Post subject:
Hmmm I only do copy paste posting if their is something I want to keep static in my characters background or if I want some description to remain the same, like what the dagger looks like in Cosette's sheath or the flexibility of a her wing span, but I can see where the others can say that it can easily be stolen. I had a few people on yahoo condemn be of such until they started to realize the other girl had stolen my character. The copyright date played a good part there.
I guess it could be useful but also damning to a player. I say just be careful where and how you use it.
Usually I don't copy and past but if I am fighting someone, I will copy and past. Though it depends if it is a normal room or battle I will, if not I will take the time to type it. Though I know many that copy and paste but they have a variety of entrances from previous post. Many I know always document nearly every post they have done, it is a common thing on chatango just because some people are lazy to type a entrance when you can scrap up a past one, edit it and post something quick to kick an rp going.
Joined: 17 Jun 2007 Posts: 3436 Location: USA - LA
Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 6:05 pm Post subject:
Oh no... I dont believe copy pasting during a fight is fair at all, and I believe it is those who do such can cause so many others to be against copy pasting at all. This is, however, only my belief.
Maybe we should have made this thread about copy/paste in IMVU RP in general, instead of solely copy pasted entrances. *Glances around, awaiting another thread at any moment for the new topic* _________________
Joined: 07 Jul 2010 Posts: 25 Location: United Kingdom
Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 10:45 am Post subject:
-Throws in my two pennies-
I don't copy and paste intro's, just thought i would start off with such, and there are many reasons why i don't, this is just me however, and i don't mind if people do, all i do ask is that if you are going to drop in a multi para post into a room which does multi para post, you keep up that standard, rather then dropping in a two page entrance and then following it up with "hi"
Setting and scene
This changes from room to room, and is something which needs to be considered in any entrance that is being done, at this point i am sorry but just because your character appears from the shadows, or rips some dimensional rift that is reason for you character to suddenly appear in the room. My characters go to places for reasons, that reason could be that they were simply wandering and stumbled upon a castle, seeing lights they were interested who was there. This to me is important, it sets a precedent for your interactions with the group that you are role playing with, so many times i have seen an entrance from someone that has no description about what is actually happening in the room, or a reason to actually come into the room.
Also worth noting and touched upon is the general atmosphere off the room, if someone has just died for example, a cheery smile and hello is not going to do the situation any good, also the people will be on edge from someone just appearing next to them.
The last one on this really is the the actual setting itself, where is it located? How did you find it? If it's on another planet, why the hell did you travel all that way? I can tell you that i have never traveled across the universe to simply wave at someone, maybe scientific research, exploring unknown worlds, but give that little bit of background to your characters reasonings.
What i refer to here is my actual characters situation in all this, things effect characters in RP, every action as they say has an equal or opposite reaction, one day my character may be on top of the world, no mountain can get in his way of his ultimate mood. Another he may feel like the world is on top of him, struggling to bare it's weight, as i like to include such things in my entrance and keep a continuity of my character, this is a reason that if i copy and paste, i won't do it justice.
Truth is there is too many variables in my eyes to write a generic copy and pasted entrance up for each room i enter, I agree that the description of the character (if it has not changed) can be typed up, if you really want the physical presence to be noted it is a good idea, but that is only a small fraction of the post. That i would not consider a copy and pasted entrance, but a foundation in which to work a post around. As for those rooms that boot if you do not post in so and so time, a copy and pasted entrance is not really needed for they are most likely not going to read it, that sort of limit is attributed to light RP rooms, where the physical appearance of your avatar and the room itself is enough for the players to work on, not my style but each to their own.