Joined: 02 Jan 2008 Posts: 2800 Location: USA - TX
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:58 pm Post subject: Bundlability - Discussion on how this works
Greetings Everyone,
Based on feedback from the Creator community, we have added a new flag to the Submit Product form called "Bundlability". In approximately two weeks this flag will be used to determine if your Products may be included in Bundles.
Some background on Product Bundles: currently when someone creates a Product Bundle non-Derivable Products are not allowed to be included. The new flag will allow you to choose to allow your Product to be included in a Bundle but not Derivable or vice versa. For the next two weeks both flags will be checked (along with the hidden flag... see below) before allowing a Product to be included in a Bundle. In at least two weeks we will stop using the Derivable flag to determine if your Product can be included in a Bundle.
Hidden items. Previously, Product Bundles had a bug which allowed hidden items to be included. We have fixed that bug. Now only the Creator of a hidden Product can include it in a Product Bundle. Other Creators may not include your hidden items in their Product Bundles. This will remain to be the case in the future, i.e. even if you mark your Product to be Bundlable, if it is hidden no one but you may include it in a Product Bundle.
Profits. If your Product is included in a bundle, you will receive the full profits for your Product each time the Bundle is sold. It is possible to mark-up the Product Bundle, in which case the Bundle Creator would profit from the sale as well. In addition, if the Product Bundle contains your our Products, you may sell the Bundle at a discount as a way to encourage customers to purchase your Products. Either way the Products included in the Bundle will be shown on the Product Bundle detail page.
Effect of changing the Bundlable or Visible/Hidden flags on your Product after a Bundle has been created. If your Product is marked Bundlable and Visible and someone includes it in their Product Bundle, changing the flags will not have an effect on the inclusion of that Product in the Bundle. For example, if your Product is Visible and Bundlable, and another Creator creates a Bundle using your Product, you cannot force the removal of your Product from the Bundle by changing your Product to Hidden and/or Not Bundlable. This will allow you to selectively allow Creators to include your Products in their Bundles, by setting the flags to Visible and Bundlable just long enough for them to include it in their Bundle.
Bundling your own Products. The new flag will have no effect on your ability to Bundle your own Products. In other words, if you mark your Product as Not Bundlable, you will still be able to include it in a Bundle you create, if you so choose.
The Goal. We would like to offer Creators the ability to create Furnished Rooms and add them to the Catalog. Currently only IMVU has the ability to do this through our Promotional Bundles (like the Hexagon Studio Suite). We want to allow Creators to do this as well, recognizing that there is alot of creative energy out there waiting for an outlet. The purchased Room would show up in the Rooms tab of the Messenger, with the furniture already in place. Customers will be allowed to move the furniture as they wish, and add or delete items from the Room. These Furnished Rooms would be Product Bundles and Products in the Bundles would have to adhere to the criteria outlined above.
In addition, we want to allow Creators to be able to offer complete Outfits for sale. These Outfits would go into the Customer's Outfit Panel, allowing for them to easily access different looks easily. The analogy was made that Creators of Outfit Bundles are like Personal Shoppers for those of us who don't have the ability to put together a matching outfit, but still want to look great.
Additional Notes. We set the Bundlable flag to on by default so that it doesn't affect the creation of Bundles during this rollout period. We will be adding an option to your Account Settings page so that you can choose to have the flag off by default. Also, if you would like your all of your Products set to Not Bundlable, please let us know by sending an email to contentcreatorprogram@imvu.com. We are in the process of creating a script that will do this for Creators who prefer their products to all be excluded from Bundles.
Thanks,
Rob
Creator Community Manager
Quote:
Polystyrene wrote:
Rosco is a staff member involved in creating this feature. Just go to his homepage and leave him a message saying you want to be added to the list to have all your products set to non-bundlable.
I don't trust those "I will pass it on to so-and-so" replies either
So the process in place is to contact contentcreatorprogram@imvu.com if you wish to be added to the list that Rosco mentioned. Any other method of circumvention may not make it to the correct folks.
I would also like to point out if I let you know that I have passed your infromation to the appropriate team, then I would pretty much say it did.
Thanks,
Rob
CCM
Quote:
Morning all,
So I looked at a lot of the folks who are having issues with creating bundles, and about 80% are not doing it correctly.
Joined: 20 Feb 2007 Posts: 2696 Location: USA - OH
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:08 pm Post subject:
Great..that seems to about wrap it.
However, one question, if we will have an option in our account settings to change the default to NO...why would we still need a script? Wouldn't selecting the default NO from our account settings do the same thing that the script will do? _________________
Hey Rob, another question. Does this mean that we have to go back and change all of our visable items to be set so they can't be included in a bundle? I think Sin is right, they should be set by default to not be made bundlable.
Joined: 02 Jan 2008 Posts: 2800 Location: USA - TX
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:26 pm Post subject:
SlNSUAL wrote:
Great..that seems to about wrap it.
However, one question, if we will have an option in our account settings to change the default to NO...why would we still need a script? Wouldn't selecting the default NO from our account settings do the same thing that the script will do?
Hi Sinsual,
As it was explained to me, the script is only to update existing accounts.
The setting on the accounts page is for new product submissions.
Do we need to check the status on each of our items manually to make sure we have them set the way we prefer? OR can you verify if there will be an update to the current status of them all? _________________
I give up.
Just another question, Rob. Not sure if this was addressed in the 13 pages, or not, but when our product is included in a bundle by another user, will we be notified? This would help us to track what is selling where and when. _________________
I want to applaud Keef, Rosco, and Rob for all their help and answers thought this whole introduction of this new feature. I think this is very promising and I'm looking forward to all the positives that this will bring about for IMVU.
The code is great, and IMVU heard our requests for a choice to make this default off from here on out. *claps*
I think Chicka had some good questions and I would also like to see a marker for this feature on our catalog pages...or even the tagger for these options begin tossed around in the previous thread. That would be VERY helpful!
Joined: 02 Jan 2008 Posts: 2800 Location: USA - TX
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:47 pm Post subject:
Flitlady wrote:
Just another question, Rob. Not sure if this was addressed in the 13 pages, or not, but when our product is included in a bundle by another user, will we be notified? This would help us to track what is selling where and when.
That is a very good question and suggestion. I do not think it will notify the creator at the moment.
I will pass along your suggestion.
Thanks,
Rob
CCM
update: I was told this can be added, and it would appear on Homepage as a message.
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: Bundlability - Discussion on how this works
Cut and pasted from the First thread
GuardianRob wrote:
Orac wrote:
Can any products in the bundle be changed... after the bundle has been made? or are they a permanent fixture, and if this option of changing any of the products that makeup the bundle at anytime is allowed, will Imvu be setting a seperate charge for developers that will use this option?
Orac, you will still be able to edit bundles, with the caveat that adding items to a Room Bundle does not add it to the room (since we wouldn't know where to put it). The user would get the new item in their inventory.
On the flip side, removing an item from a Room Bundle does remove it from the Room.
Orac wrote:
If the above is allowed will it effect existing older bundles?
The effect on existing older bundles will be that:
- users can still add and remove items from their bundles
- newly added items must be either owned by the bundle owner, or, currently, visible, bundlable, and derivable. After we the two week plus roll out period derivable will no longer be checked
Good Morning GuardianRob,
As products can be deleted and new products added do you have any rules in place to protect members that buy bundles?
for example members who buy bundles then find 3 months down the line she/he may find that items have been deleted from the bundle which the bundle maker has no intention of replacing the items... the reason could be that the bundle maker might have a disagreement with the owner of the products that were added to the bundle..
Also
Do you have any plans to stop Devs adding/creating copyrighted music bundles? _________________ Derivable Affordable Priced Meshes Link In IMVU Virtual Space No One Can Hear You Scream ^_^
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Joined: 27 Aug 2007 Posts: 4225 Location: USA - TX
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject:
This is sounding better and better ^^ Thanks for the clarification on this.
I also would like to know the answer to chicka's questions.
And i believe this was asked in the other topic, but what will happen if a bundle is flagged for inappropriate content? will your products be flagged as well? _________________
I would have to say I doubt that they would all be flagged...just the inappropriate pieces in the bundle?? But then again you never know... It would be great to see what Rob/IMVU says.
Joined: 02 Jan 2008 Posts: 2800 Location: USA - TX
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:30 pm Post subject:
ChickaFlicka wrote:
Do we need to check the status on each of our items manually to make sure we have them set the way we prefer? OR can you verify if there will be an update to the current status of them all?
Chicka, from what I learned we did not have plans to update the Catalog summary page; however, we will add it to the detail page. The pricing will not be locked if your item is included in a bundle. We can provide a custom report of the bundlability setting for your products after we run the script on a "as needed basis".
For the catalog summary page, we don't want to clutter the page with data that may confuse the average creator, right?
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