Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:05 am Post subject: Taxation without Representation... The New Boston Tea Party
Edit by LadyPetunias
UPDATE
Staff member GuardianRob has posted OFFICIAL IMVU POST Please read...
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UPDATE as you can see by the additional new taxation page in the credit transfer pages, this is NO A RUMOUR ANY longer and was not just being discussed rather implemented.
There are Rumours about that we are about to be taxed on credit transfers 2.5 %.
Don't worry about who let the cat out of the bag. Alot of people have told me about this. And quite frankly I am ready to say my peace and leave which would surely make alot of them happy but I decided to just say my peace instead.
THIS IS STUPID
We are not even getting anything from the DEvToken issue they promised us we would have.... A YEAR AND A HALF AGO!
I am not sure of all the facts so let me just speculate......
They came to the resellers and Developer Council with a shock drop of a 10% tax to help the economy or offset some overhead issue or some other BS. Then they came back and hit them with 2.5% as a compromise.
So they would feel like they actually made it better than it going to be.
We already have a sales tax of 10% on all traded Goods. And submission fees and IMVU gets 250 credits off of everysale for us deriving from their GENERIC products.
Today is FRIDAY>
Is this when they will announce it?
I usually let all the rumours be announced before I talk about them but this one is wide spread and has a major impact.
This tax by the way is only around $20 Dollars per million credits by the time it is taxed going to the reseller and then coming off the reseller.
But as you can imagine some resellers selling millions of credits a day, this is a major impact on the economy of the DEVELOPER Community. Not IMVU.
We are not fairly represented as it is with the taxes we have now. A new tax is ridiculous.
We made IMVU what it is today. Each and every developer. From the one who made 1 "I love IceCream" T shirt to the major Developers.
IMVU has Contributed 1567 products for sale in the catalog.
The Developers have contributed 1,543,597 products available for sale in the catalog.
IF anything we should be taxing them more for having to put up with 4 years of BETA testing, ongoing unresolved bugs and a myriad of unresolved issues that continually hamper both the developer community and the Economy.
This is a time to put aside all differences with one another and finally for once become one VOICE. One MAD Voice!
Drop what you are doing and speak up. This effects you significantly monetarilly and strategically as a DEVELOPER at IMVU.
I will be vocal and within guidelines as I speak my peace about this and I encourage everyone to be civil, mature and professional in the way we handle this and voice the outcries that I am sure to follow the official announcement of this unjust action by IMVU.
IF you let them get away with this.... They will take more later.... They always do... When is it going to be enough that we all in one voice say....
HELL NO!
Sincerely
Goose.
Feel Free to Use these to help express your support.
Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Posts: 4654 Location: USA - FL
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:29 am Post subject:
But, what do we really have that we can do? How many times has a vast majority of community cried out against actions taken or performed on by IMVU, and had nothing done in return...let alone SAID.
Another strike? Obviously, the strike taken during the Dev-Token 'revolt', well IMVU had to have felt a heavy blow. Yet - they stood strong and did nothing but lie to us about what would be done. So, we all flooded back slowly. And as per usual...did nothing when they did nothing.
But again, what CAN we do? A lot of us rely on IMVU. I could not REALLY leave. Myself? It is my only income. I can NOT physically work a job. I have to file for Disability, at 19-years-old...because, I am so unhealthy and unwell, there is nothing else for me. This is the only place I have found where I can work, and get paid for the work I do - while still being able to deal with my personal issues and not have my income affected. _________________ { All That Matters | Neo Hamad }
I am not and probably will not call for any kind of strike.
They will listen to us. Believe me. They will listen if we all stand together on the issue.
I am not here to hamper anyones income. Anyone that knows me knows I would never do that. This will be a diplomatic issue and it will get positive results if we stick together.
Not talking to the developer community at large about this first is the major issue.
Not discussing any problems that they see we need to pay for is the issue.
And coming to thier own conclusion to fix it is another. _________________ Na na Nana Hey Hey Hey... Goose bye!
Goose- Ex IMVU developer
Goose Bechir - SL Developer, Designer and Rental Agent
That's crap I send between several accounts regularly! I will be damned if I plan on paying the same tax on this everytime I do so! What is their just proof of doing this? _________________ Forum = Any public place or medium used for a discussion!
Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 7014 Location: United Kingdom
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:13 am Post subject:
I see a major problem with this idea of theirs......
Many many of us are in real world fact exempt from US taxes as we do not now & never have resided in the US & that creates a HUGE issue that could potentially take on diplomatic proportions if all of us outside the US decide to approach our Embassies on the issue....seeing as we're being told that using US Servers amounts to us being on US soil
It is my personal opinion that this tax stems from the amount of people who have quit using IMVU & rather than deal with the issues that have driven the users away.....badly coded client, catalogue issues, lack of policing of behaviours, lack of equality & fairness & so on...we know the issues ad nauseum..they're losing money & rather than put their brains into gear & fix the problems, they're dumping it on us yet again
ETA: Wouldn't this also bring up the issue of minimum wages/fees etc???? _________________
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I am not talking about a government tax on credit transfers.
I am talking about IMVU charging you 2.5% every time you move credits from one account to another. _________________ Na na Nana Hey Hey Hey... Goose bye!
Goose- Ex IMVU developer
Goose Bechir - SL Developer, Designer and Rental Agent
Joined: 19 Oct 2006 Posts: 3685 Location: USA - TX
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:25 am Post subject:
we tried to get the community to stand together before. no one listened. more and more things happened, and we were called whiners. Still trying to take a stand,I wonder what some of us will be called this time. Warnings were given, foresight is better than hindsight, but the problem is, no one wants to hear about foresight. _________________
Joined: 13 Nov 2004 Posts: 11345 Location: USA - KS
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:27 am Post subject:
Absolutely insane proposal.
Who in the hell thought this up??? Someone who hates developers and wants us to leave???
This will negatively impact ALL developers, big and small.
I transfer credits often between accounts. I help out a friend whenever she needs credtis. Sometimes she pays me back. So we'd both be taxed on a loan???
So, is IMVU telling us that they would like to prohibit credit transfers???
Would IMVU like us to stop helping each other? I'll be damned if I help another dev if I'm taxed on my transfer. Never going to happen again.
And if I'm to be charged for each transfer I make to sell credits, then is IMVU telling me that they don't want me to earn money?
Bad enough dev tokens take away income and earnings and have almost no value. That was a royal screwing without benefit of KY.
I lose a minimum of 15% of my income to tokens. (screw the coupon analogy, I'm not playing that game today)
Now IMVU wants me to lose even more income???
Is this some precursor to the mysterious tier system? If so, then shove it.
I'm about done.
Anyone want to buy a pro dev account with almost 800 products, around 80 original meshes?
I'm almost serious.
I just typed out the conditions for bidding and payment. Wow . . .
I'm not even really pissed, I'm hurt and disappointed by IMVU.
If they think inflation is bad now, wait until all developers tack on another 15+% to the price of their products to cover all these new taxes or fees (whatever they call them). Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. And customers mumble under their breath now about the price of products in the catalog. They just can't see any of the big picture. IMVU is so departmentalized that the right hand never knows what the left hand is doing around there.
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