New Feature - Outfit Bundles

Wolfie · Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 681 Location: United Kingdom

and about bundles. are devs that already make outfit bundles going to see there bundles bought renamed and then sold by someone for a higher price? since when did anyone ask anyones permission from anyone to allow others to sell their work? if i see my items sold can i have to bundle stopped by issuing a DMCA take down? as i never said anyone could profit from my items? does anyone know whether we get notified when a bundle is made using our products?
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LadyElegantBloodK · Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 5366 Location: USA

My thoughts on this one hand good one hand bad. it will make it easier for the CC's that often work with another CC however on the other hand bad because some CC's don't want to have items set with someone else's bundles. You should offer a collaboration feature instead of this to give us the right to pick and choose.

Nyrisse · Joined: 01 Jun 2006 Posts: 1114 Location: USA - NE

I see a LOT of my skins (and other pieces) in the outfit contest. I'm not too thrilled about them being thrown into every bundle out there. You know why? Because if someone buys 3-4 of these 'outfit bundles' and they all include the same skin, it isn't the BUNDLE MAKER they're going to ask for compensation, it's the SKIN MAKER. I can just see it now:

Hi, I bought a couple outfit bundles and the same skin you made was in all of them. Since I only got one copy of the skin, can you please reimburse me for the others? Thanks!

Heck, the more I think about it, the more my head hurts. How DO they deal with purchasing bundles when you already own one piece from it???
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confusticated · Joined: 26 Jul 2006 Posts: 681 Location: Australia

What happens if someone mixes AP poses (for example) with GA furniture, does the bundle automagically become AP, or can the creator class it as GA?
Also I am damned sure I don't want my products associated with music products or from devs with unscrupulous behaviour/ethics.
Cheers Confusticated.
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MsOCredits · Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 2299 Location: USA

DROBEWOLF · Joined: 07 Jan 2007 Posts: 392 Location: USA - IN

Since it was previously only items set to derivable that could be used in bundles, are any items included in a bundle subject to the same non-changing price rules as formerly derived products? Confused

And I agree, hidden products should be saleable only at the original developer's discression. Otherwise we all need to set hidden products to 1,000,000 credits to prevent it being used without authorization.
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Flowereater · Joined: 16 Nov 2006 Posts: 220 Location: USA - NY

Arachinidia · Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 191 Location: USA - CO

*blink*

...My two cents:

1) Would it be reasonable to require that unless a product is yours, you would require some form of automated consent from the developer that created it? It could be easy to set up, just have a system where the bundle creator enteres all the desired product ID#s into a form along with a brief synopsis of the theme of the bundle, which is then sent to all developers included. They can individually approve or deny the use of their product before it goes live.

Of course, there are a lot of devs who are inactive, so perhaps there could be some sort of time limit before requests are automatically approved or denied based on a set or preferences?

2) Hidden items shouldn't be able to be sold by other developers without express consent, PERIOD. I have several hidden items that are either custom commissions, unique gifts for friends, or broken demos that have been left to rot. ANY of these would be troublesome for me if they hit the market as easily buyable products.

3) I realize that this entire program might be intended to milk more credits from users, but is it really necessary? I think it would be nice to see either a tiny, SET markup (meaning that it can not be changed, and all outfit bundles will have the same markup), no markup AT ALL (don't let developers charge a markup on outfit bundles, period), or a discount markdown. IMVU marks up all their prices by 10%, why not shave off 5-10% for outfit bundles? Then this could actually HELP the users, stimulate the economy in a positve manner, and still not adversely affect developers' income.

4) Set an automatic redundancy filter into this, PLEASE! As a few people have mentioned, almost NOBODY is going to want to buy a male or female avatar, most people won't need the extra heads, skins, eyes, etc... Partly because they won't want them, but also partly because they already HAVE them! When someone buys a new outfit bundle, IMVU should automatically drop out items that the user already owns, as well as give them the option to remove up to a certain number of items from the bundle before they lose whatever credit bonus or restriction is being given by the bundle.

...Just a few suggestions to keep this whole idea from careening off into certain disaster.
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BlissNoire · Joined: 29 Mar 2007 Posts: 5787 Location: USA - OR

Okay, after reading through this thread, I made a bundle to test this. I was Horrified to see that a custom skin, unavailable to anyone but me, was included in that bundle at break even! I have since gone back and edited the bundle to include ONLY my own products. Before then not only were items that were hidden included, but items that were Not derivable were included as well. When I moved to *edit* the bundle, it told me that the items were not derivable and could not be added to the bundle. Fancy that, they were already in it! As I stated before, i have removed all items not belonging to me from the bundle and have hidden it. Still...this is a BAD idea. Far too much can go wrong, and for all the other reasons already mentioned.

Users already have the option to buy the items in outfit challenge outfits by clicking and purchasing the items individually. This is the ONLY safe way for this not to be abused. I do not want my Lollirot skin being sold! I do not want to sell the Jennifer head I use! That is not my product to sell! If another developer wants me to sell their items for them, I am sure they would have asked. Good grief....what were you thinking with this?
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Sikk · Joined: 26 Oct 2005 Posts: 11584 Location: USA - AZ

Polystyrene · Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 20323 Location: Australia

So.....when people ask for useless features that will bring imvu more money, no problem imvu will jump to them. But when we ask for things that are actually important and helpful, we get ignored. That's nice.

Matt, you say that "we are building this because we have been asked to do so numerous times by members of the IMVU community". You have also been asked countless times about, for example, email notification of new product reviews. Why don't we get that too?

All these ideas you are bringing in are to the detriment of devs. Couldn't we have one little nice thing for Christmas?
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Smexy · Joined: 09 Jun 2006 Posts: 727 Location: USA - FL

Wonderful.

Now.
other.
people.
can.
sell.
my.
stuff.

Am I supposed to be thrilled by this?

Polystyrene · Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 20323 Location: Australia

Please give us the option to opt out of this feature.
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Mercuria · Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 9:00 am Post subject:

I don't think you can purchase duplicate items anymore. I tried and in my cart there was a notation that I already own the item. So, that might preclude problems with outfits containing the same skin, etc.

As there are supposed plans to make the outfit bundles editable, then there is no way we can prevent people from creating them and selling them. I need to make outfits of my own items for my homepage to advertise them. I finally did this but hate the photos and the fact that all poses are included so I need to start over.

Now, if someone does this for me, sure that's great. If customers want to pay a markup on the bundle when they could fill their cart with individual items well, that's up to them. I am too tired to fight it.

But, if any hidden items get put into a bundle, then I'm going to raise holy hell.

Man, think about the Holiday Outfits Bundle. It's exclusive right now. What's to prevent someone from making a profit for a couple weeks on these exclusive items? All of a sudden, that bundle would not be so exclusive nor would it be worth $19.99, eh?

Wow, almost makes me want to buy it and bundle the outfits to prove a point but I'm too cheap and broke to spend $20 just for that.

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Whispeer · Joined: 23 Jul 2007 Posts: 1569 Location: USA - FL

I have been following this thread and trying my hardest to make sense of it.

The way I see it is a new dev does not ever have to make a product, but can generate income.

Am I reading this right?

If so, this to me is wrong.

Create your own things.

Why does IMVU do these stupid things, especially right on a weekend or before a holiday?
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