Religion in RP

TonberryShuffle · Joined: 26 Jul 2010 Posts: 260 Location: USA - WA

"But the very idea of there being a THE God is that someone or something was there to have created these other dimensions because before it there was literally nothing, no embodiment of death, absolute nothingness. "

Using this logic then nothing from Supernatural should be admissable in RP with you.

"You really buy everything told to you on DVD extras don't you? You have to remember that the DVD extras are designed to make the show look good, it's self-praise. And there's a difference between referencing mythology and actually following it and going in depth on it. "

They even gave details for certain myths. It was kind of required on how they could detail how their schtick was different than the myth.

And I never said they followed it. I said quite the opposite. And they drifted away on purpose unlike other series (coughtwilightcough) that like to simply make things up.

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A diety is one thing. If someone played Loki I'd have strict rules for them such as not having been there when the world was created or when humanity was created, not knowing exactly what happens to souls when you die and or which souls are saved and which are not. This is the pet peeve I have to deal with. "

That is technically metagaming and forcing a person to change their character. Which...isn't that GM to some extent? Especially when "canonically" Loki does know those things. Or at least the Norse variation of it. IIRC he's even still locked away in the Norse afterlife currently.

To that though he wouldn't know which WILL be saved. Just those that already were saved and those that were already condemned. Which to me is a rather huge difference.

"See, you're advocating that "Whatever you believe will happen will happen" And in certain RPs that's just not possible. First if you claim to have been there when the universe was created and know what happens to souls when they die you can't say "That's only for you" because that implies it's all in that character's head. "

In a close RP/world where certainrules are in place then obviously you are correct. But in open and general RP then wouldn't it be up to that person as to what happens to their character's soul? My instance; if my Troll dies he's not going to be sticking around as a ghost. Meanwhile I have another character who upon his death would probably NEVER move on to any type of afterlife.

And unless the specific rules to that world dictate what happens then it IS up to me. Especially with you advocating that no one else can manipulate another Mun's character's soul.
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CountVladDracula · Joined: 07 Oct 2010 Posts: 8072 Location: USA - NY

TonberryShuffle · Joined: 26 Jul 2010 Posts: 260 Location: USA - WA

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Have I mentioned that HATE that show and I am sick of people thinking it's the be all / end all for supernatural fantasy when it doesn't properly follow any mythology and even, by technicality, says there is no God at all because if "The God" didn't create everything than by definition that's ... Not The God. "

You are still very much missing the point that I was trying to make. Or completely circumventing it. I'll mention it again though; don't assume based on titles. Because that character in the series DOES use the title of "God". Even if he doesn't fit the definition as we know it for God the title is still very openly used. Basically, you do not know who/what they are using when that title is thrown around for an NPC or character.

Beyond that I never claimed Supernatural to be the "be all/end all" source for anything. In fact I dislike using it outside of its own canon. For all the reasons mentioned above.

"Yes, and the Queen of the damned DVD claims they went to Anne Rice for advice and that she was okay with what they did (She tells the exact opposite). And the DVD for Hellraiser: Revelation says "From the mind of Clive Barker" but in more colorful words that I'm allowed to repeat here Clive Barker said that film (He didn't say film) didn't even come from a certain other part of his body...

Knowing a few tidbits about a mythology is not the same as real research. You might like the show but when you completely re-write a mythology that's like claiming Stephenie Meyer researched vampire folklore but at least she had enough integrity to admit she did not."

The Queen of the Damned example works. I'll give you that. However, the Clive Barker one isn't quite as valid. 'cause out of context "from the mind of" could have meant any number of things. Especially since the entirety of that series was based on his original Novella and later his movie(s).

"You just proved MY point exactly. The person coming in to someone else's game (let's say mine) claiming to know how that game's universe came into existence, claiming to know what happens to all souls when they die and what they define as a soul is, by default, metagaming what happens to other characters and or how they function. It's rude and I won't allow it. And to allow "Whatever you believe is what happens to you" sounds nice on paper but when you put it into play it doesn't work. Imagine this scenario. "

If they were claiming to know THAT universe's creation (You're assuming that's what I meant again when I clearly did not say that) is completely different than what I was saying.

""Satan sent me here to collect you and take you to Hell."
"That's nice but I don't believe in Satan or Hell so you can't try that."
"Oh..."
*The two sit there twiddling their thumbs.*
"So... How's the weather?"

It never plays out like that. "

No, you're right. It usually doesn't. However, if someone does have a valid means IC with some proper RP to accompany it then the whole "I drag you to hell" concept is entirely valid. Otherwise the entire premise of a Succubus/Incubus (unless altered) doesn't work.

"Yes but if he imposes why one was saved or another not that DOES influence other characters. "Oh, he went to Hell because he slept with a married woman." / "Wait, my character did that." / "Oh, well maybe things will be different for you..." See why that's BAD?!? "

You're also assuming said deity knew the reason. Generally, that's not the role for the pantheons but instead the Fates (or their equivalents). And what the Fates know/do usually isn't deity-privy information in most mythos.

"I have multiverse open RPs but I never, ever, ever allow someone to come in and tell me what happens in the afterlife because someone else could come in and say something entirely different and then they argue because both feel their answer is universal for all realities. I HAVE seen this happen. I'd rather avoid it. "

Like I said ultimately I should decide where my character's soul goes in death. Argument or not. This comes down to your rules for RP that you posted in another thread (that has since been locked).
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TonberryShuffle · Joined: 26 Jul 2010 Posts: 260 Location: USA - WA

"He despises the one I mentioned. "

Off topic but as much as I like Clive's work my favorite Hellraiser movies were the ones he never touched. I have to htink that's kind of funny.

"Actually with proper research it does. Succubi and Inccubi in folklore are Earth bound demons, not from Hell and not having been around before the creation of Earth. And in The Dresden Files they're pretty much just a supernatural race, not something conceived in Hell. "

But this comes down to a difference in mythology in different cultures. The Japanese folklore on Vampires isn't going to be identicle to the Irish or to the African. And yes, I've seen stories on different creatures from each place that resemble vampires.
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RaggedWizard · Joined: 05 Apr 2010 Posts: 585 Location: USA - NY

ULNamelessXMarich · Joined: 23 Jun 2011 Posts: 53 Location: USA - TX

if you were to combat this, one way isa to make yourself a human body aka possess or start rping as michael as a spirit and slowly progress to maybe the warrior king or whatever you might have in mind, you could be satan, or you could be god, but one way might be a host, vessel whatever the title, and if you placed the throne as power instead of the name people usually do...maybe it works, possibly put science and spiritual together pseudo science, you never know. always a first.

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Guest_xXBitebackXx · Joined: 12 Feb 2012 Posts: 95 Location: USA

I Prefer if people don't play a diety in any rooms of mine, or any rooms I go to.
I'm pagan, and I believe that all religions should be respected, regardless.
By all means though, have a religous debate ooc. It can be interesting, and so long as it isn't a catfight, I don't see why not.

As for souls, I allow them to be played, so long as the soul doesn't die, then go somewhere else, or claim to be from an old life, trying to be immortal.

I don't mind the idea of the soul being able to move, via some form of magic. just so long as the soul doesn't know where they're going in the afterlife, or jumping bodies, then I don't really care what they do.

Besides, almost every religion will get offended by SOMETHING in rp.
You have magical powers? Many christians beleive that only god may have magical powers, and to have them even in rp, is against god.

So I'm pretty lax about it. If they're going to get pissy, they're going to get pissy more or less no matter what you do.

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XxMissSnowyxX · Joined: 24 Mar 2010 Posts: 2235 Location: Antarctica

I am not against people who wish to play religious characters. I am more against people who try to bleed their religion into other people's RP's.

That second line might be a little confusing, so i'll try to explain it.

Someone sets up a RP world that has its own religion of whatever. A new player comes in and says "Well my god was around before yours."

That's where I draw the line. People have to remember that not all worlds are linked together on a planar and or spiritual level if you will.

I know some people might say "Well, you like to say you let people play as they will, but with me being here, you are dictating things about my character."

I think the people with that mindset have forgotten one thing; they chose to come to your creation. If they don't like it, they are free to go when they wish.
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