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RuslanaPamutova
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Vote with your wallet.. IMVU don't care what we say or how we feel.. I for 1 have used 100s of $ rl money on IMVU to buy credits to build my 2 clubs and to get my near 300 items in my shop, as well as gifting items to my friends and buying fits from other devs.. some where around 300 fits i did not make.. But this pend thing has removed any fun from creating I had, so I killed VIP, stopped deving, closed shop and now only log in if I see a friend I want to chat with.. Oh and I should add the 100,000 credits I wasted to make a badge to promote my shop.. I know many have huge rl $ invested in IMVU as I do, for me the fun is gone.
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babygv
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Location: USA - OK
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:24 am Post subject: |
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Well, now it is starting to seem like iMVU might have implemented Credit Pend to save their butts from lossing profits or sale decreases...
I have notice that my friends online declined about 50% in the last 3 months... I now have 1999 friends with only 400 of them still visit the iMVU Community...
With Credit Pend not having a tracking system... iMVU gain from this is to save what could be lost... It also seem that iMVU has known for sometime now that sales could decline once Credit Pend was implemented...
No brainer they don't hear what Creators think might help Credit Pend and maybe they just don't want to do anything about it... Apparently they do have the money to implement a tracking system... Sales from Virtual Cash Cow say 2007-2010 sales for iMVU has doubled...
I want to beleive in iMVU and Credit Pend, but with out a tracking system delay in credits is very much useless for Creators... I notice if you submit ticket nothing get done about anything...
Also, without refunds intact their is nothing to gain from anything but more losses for Creator... We all have notice moderators close topics and delete post if main issues are pointed out... This only show we Creators may not be incontrol of are own destiny...
Nothing really stay intact on here anymore, with drastic changes all at one time... No real goal for Credits Pending without Tracking where the lost in profits... Just a big system controlling are credits to another desination other than in or pockets...
With the decline in sales for us Creators probably won't be anyone left on iMVU to hack or steal from... A empty lost Community to hacker and theifs... Whether hacker and theifs be iMVU itself...
Creators have said they needed to pay bills with their credits iMVU still not listen... Why iMVU would still recuit users to be Creators when they already know they stand to gain nothing out of it... Credit Pend was only put in place once iMVU knew they needed to save their iMVU Cash Cow...
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babygv
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:26 am Post subject: |
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Without tracking sytem Credit Pending is a big loss for us Creators... It only add to the lost we already expirencing...
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OdenWrath_disabled_552042 
Joined: 03 Jul 2010
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Location: USA - MT
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:39 am Post subject: |
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| well thanks to cred pending my shop sales have stopped i have 8 days of pended credits coming to me which is enough to make tha last ferw items i have waiting to make but after those days i havent made anysales people have lost faith in imvu and the creator shops just like i knew they would but hey i dotn have a college degree so i must be stupid right.well now ill have the last of my new projects made when the end of the month rolls around but after that it looks like i wotn be able to make anything else now.way to go imvu you killed any cash flow from creators you could have gotten by being stupid.im glad all those years of college worked out for you.after imvu is gone you could run for political office noone there uses there brains or can balance a budget either so you definatly have work after you kill off your site.oh and just so you know almost all my dev freiends are thinking of leaving imvu and just going back to there regular lives becasue rl is alot easier then imvu to deal with now.way to kill the fun and your profits. |
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Uncens0red
Joined: 06 Aug 2007
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Location: USA
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:23 am Post subject: |
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lol...and ANOTHER credit sale...wow. How many does that make? Three in three days? Isn't sales supposed to be a novelty?
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imTHEmike_disabled_349763
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Location: USA - NY
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:40 am Post subject: |
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I think I just found out the root of the problem...
WHO OWNS IMVU? Venture Capital ("Investment") Companies.
From wikipedia~
IMVU is backed by venture investors Menlo Ventures, Allegis Capital , Bridgescale Partners and Best Buy Capital and is
located in Mountain View, CA.
I think its time we all migrate to second life....Doesnt this sound like a company that has a much better chance of staying in business?
From wiki about second life~
The company, founded in 1999, employs numerous established high-tech veterans, including former executives from Electronic Arts,
eBay, Disney, Adobe, and Apple.
Wow, NIGHT AND DAY
time for imvu to wake the f up and listen to the people who pay their bills..If they dont like making money and growing a business then nevermind,
just keep ignoring us... |
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xLadytot
Joined: 20 Jun 2010
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:49 am Post subject: |
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I personally think everything on SL is fugly, and the client is alot more lagville than imvu.
Il be staying put unless something better than both SL and IMVU comes out.
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Zanalya 
Joined: 04 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:33 am Post subject: STOP THE PENDING CREDITS!! |
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| OdenWrath wrote: | | well thanks to cred pending my shop sales have stopped i have 8 days of pended credits coming to me which is enough to make tha last ferw items i have waiting to make but after those days i havent made anysales people have lost faith in imvu and the creator shops just like i knew they would but hey i dotn have a college degree so i must be stupid right.well now ill have the last of my new projects made when the end of the month rolls around but after that it looks like i wotn be able to make anything else now.way to go imvu you killed any cash flow from creators you could have gotten by being stupid.im glad all those years of college worked out for you.after imvu is gone you could run for political office noone there uses there brains or can balance a budget either so you definatly have work after you kill off your site.oh and just so you know almost all my dev freiends are thinking of leaving imvu and just going back to there regular lives becasue rl is alot easier then imvu to deal with now.way to kill the fun and your profits. |
EXACTLY! Same for me. My sales stopped more than 90% since this STUPID CREDIT PENDING ESCROW has been put on.
Now people are boycotting imvu by stopping to buy and more, alot have stopped to make, stopped to buy anything from the catalog, some stopped their VIP, some refuses to even MAKE PRODUCTS to boycott this pending credit...
If IMVU did not get it, they should open their eyes that IF SOMEONE BOYCOTT the pending credits, it is not just touching this person.
It is touching the whole community. It is a person to person action.
If this person do not buy credits, then this person do not buy from the catalog so that means that no devs get not even one credit from it.
If the dev do not get a credit from this, then nothing can be made either...
If that person also do not pay anymore from VIP, it is more money in the real life pocket for that person yes, but IMVU won't get a credit from it either.
IMVU do not seem to realize that this is a CHAIN of actions...
IMVU NEEDS to STOP playing around with their developers and give them the respect we all deserve for our talent of making their catalog bigger and to fill up their pocket because when a sale is made NORMALLY, it gives a retail + developing amount to IMVU, in that case IMVU gains more than WE DO but without us, devs...IMVU would not be what it is now...
I know it may sound a little hard but it is the plain truth.
IMVU OWE all of respect and a bunch of excuses as well with some explanation of this PUPPET TOYING with our credits and with us for letting us hanging in the dark the way they do.
They close threads because they see how we all react. They do not like the fact that we are all angry in all a different way but how do they want us to react towards such an idiotic action such as pending credits?
They want us to have a smile, to say thank you for making us wait forever for big or small amount of credits depending on the dev level...?
They want devs (alot of them) to say thank you for taking some of their credits away (because some devs have their credits not matching their sales)?
They want us to be docile, kind and sweet when we are getting all this?
If their BIG CHANGES they did on IMVU COST THEM TOO MUCH, it is not our problems! They just need to stop to change IMVU so much and keep it the way it is! FIX THINGS instead of creating new unstable updates and things might cost IMVU less...
Dev do not want to give their credits away because IMVU acted and still act irresponsible.
IMVU knows that the credits we get is paid with REAL LIFE MONEY and they are playing with our REAL LIFE MONEY by doing what they are doing...
We can't just stay here and smile and kiss bobo on what IMVU is doing to their devs.
We all got a voice and we all show it!
Dear people, do not take this as ANGER, take it as I am a voice wanting to be heard by IMVU who keeps deleting hundreds of threads they close because they are ordered to do so but also because IMVU seems to not want to read or hear about it.
Why a staff comes in threads to post that she looked at account to let people know that their incomes came right when it is not all that.
Why can't the staff come to reassure us about what WE ALL REALLY WANT TO KNOW?
Why can't a staff come simply to take time to ANSWER ALL OUR QUESTIONS?
WHY AREN'T WE GETTING ANYTHING FROM IT ALL?
WHY DIDN'T THEY STOPPED THIS ESCROW ALREADY AFTER SEEING SO MANY GROUPS, THREADS, POSTS, FEEDBACKS about: STOP THIS PENDING CREDITS ESCROW?
Why because they do not seem to care and we will keep saying our thoughts until IMVU DOES SOMETHING! |
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xLadytot
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As someone pointed out, maybe that was there plan altogether...To get devvers to leave and get their profits.
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Varsha
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:41 am Post subject: |
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Update:
First, any reports of undelivered credits have been checked and we have not found a single instance where pended credits are not being delivered. All profits are being delivered after going through the 14 day hold period.
Shortly we will make a change where derivation fees that are currently not being pended will be pended for 14 days as well. Currently derivation fees are delivered at the time of derivation. Going forward (once the change is live), derivation fees will be on hold for 14 days. They will NOT be shown in the pend credit schedule, however, they will show up in your Credit Balance Event report directly - as they do now.
Some reminders:
Pend schedule is now 14 days for all creators and will stay at this level.
Currently no credits are being delivered as per the schedule. Sales that took place on October 3rd were delivered partially on October 10th and rest are in pend to be delivered on October 17th.
Sales that took place on October 4th onwards are on 14-day pend and will start getting delivered as of October 18th. From that day, there will be a daily delivery of credits - provided you have had sales on a daily basis.
Thank you.
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Zanalya
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:00 am Post subject: |
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Miss Varsha,
I got a little question for you since you are a STAFF.
I will ask THE QUESTION as no one did to a STAFF.
Why IMVU keeps this ESCROW ON when they see clearly that no one wants it? |
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Dalamar1013
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| Quote: | | As someone pointed out, maybe that was there plan altogether...To get devvers to leave and get their profits. |
I've seen this a few times now. I have to ask ... what profits? You mean the credits they earn selling products? IMVU HAS the money for those already. They got there real world money when you first bought your credits when your credit card cleared (how ever many days that took to process into there accounts.)AND IMVU owns the credits NOT the devs. IMVU does not sell credits to resellers. So WHAT PROFITS will they gain by developers leaving?
Currency
The Site includes in-world fictional currencies ("Currencies" or "Credits" or "Promo Credits" or "Predits" or "Dev Tokens" or "DT" - all of the foregoing are "Credits"), which may be purchased with real world currency and can then be exchanged on this Site for limited license right(s) to use a feature of our Product or a virtual product when, as, and if allowed by IMVU and subject to the terms and conditions of these Terms. IMVU may charge fees for the right to use our Credits, or may distribute our Credits without charge, in IMVU's sole discretion. Regardless of terminology used, IMVU Credits are not redeemable for any sum of real world money or monetary value from IMVU at any time. You agree that IMVU has the absolute right to manage, regulate, control, modify and/or eliminate such Credits as it sees fit in its sole discretion, in any general or specific case, and that IMVU will have no liability to you based on its exercise of such rights. IMVU Credits cannot be used for any kind of wagering, betting or gambling either within or outside of our Site. You also agree to use IMVU's Credits for all transactions involving IMVU Products or virtual products and related use rights and you agree not to create, employ, or utilize any parallel form of virtual currency in connection with any transaction on this Site. IMVU may allow for free exchange of some, all, or none of its Credits via third parties, but IMVU does not assume any responsibility associated with your transactions with such third parties. IMVU is the sole owner of Credits, and as such, retains all intellectual property rights affiliated with ownership. You acknowledge that at no time do you own, nor have any right to, the intellectual property affiliated with Credits. You are hereby prohibited from reselling or distributing Credits without the expressed written consent of IMVU.
color and bolding done by me for clarity...
Dev's leaving only hurts IMVU. They Gain nothing by it.
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xLadytot
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| Dalamar1013 wrote: | | Quote: | | As someone pointed out, maybe that was there plan altogether...To get devvers to leave and get their profits. |
I've seen this a few times now. I have to ask ... what profits? You mean the credits they earn selling products? IMVU HAS the money for those already. They got there real world money when you first bought your credits when your credit card cleared (how ever many days that took to process into there accounts.)AND IMVU owns the credits NOT the devs. IMVU does not sell credits to resellers. So WHAT PROFITS will they gain by developers leaving?
Currency
The Site includes in-world fictional currencies ("Currencies" or "Credits" or "Promo Credits" or "Predits" or "Dev Tokens" or "DT" - all of the foregoing are "Credits"), which may be purchased with real world currency and can then be exchanged on this Site for limited license right(s) to use a feature of our Product or a virtual product when, as, and if allowed by IMVU and subject to the terms and conditions of these Terms. IMVU may charge fees for the right to use our Credits, or may distribute our Credits without charge, in IMVU's sole discretion. Regardless of terminology used, IMVU Credits are not redeemable for any sum of real world money or monetary value from IMVU at any time. You agree that IMVU has the absolute right to manage, regulate, control, modify and/or eliminate such Credits as it sees fit in its sole discretion, in any general or specific case, and that IMVU will have no liability to you based on its exercise of such rights. IMVU Credits cannot be used for any kind of wagering, betting or gambling either within or outside of our Site. You also agree to use IMVU's Credits for all transactions involving IMVU Products or virtual products and related use rights and you agree not to create, employ, or utilize any parallel form of virtual currency in connection with any transaction on this Site. IMVU may allow for free exchange of some, all, or none of its Credits via third parties, but IMVU does not assume any responsibility associated with your transactions with such third parties. IMVU is the sole owner of Credits, and as such, retains all intellectual property rights affiliated with ownership. You acknowledge that at no time do you own, nor have any right to, the intellectual property affiliated with Credits. You are hereby prohibited from reselling or distributing Credits without the expressed written consent of IMVU.
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Dev's leaving only hurts IMVU. They Gain nothing by it. |
They will gain more income if there are no devvers, Considering long time devvers don't buy credits.
No devvers, all imvu products = more income.
It's also been said many times that credits have no value to how they used to be now, This has already driven credits up in the market im assuming, because everyone has less.
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Vampire
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:32 am Post subject: |
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I think as a show of solidarity and how easy all of this is on devs...Varsha and all other staff do the same thing with their paychecks...Wow wouldnt that be great guys????A month of paychecks..helll id settle for a week!!! Everyone standing together as 1???
Lets see what staff members will join us...come on guys...sign up ...right here right now..put your money where your backbones are!!!!
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babygv
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:33 am Post subject: |
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| Dalamar1013 wrote: | | Quote: | | As someone pointed out, maybe that was there plan altogether...To get devvers to leave and get their profits. |
I've seen this a few times now. I have to ask ... what profits? You mean the credits they earn selling products? IMVU HAS the money for those already. They got there real world money when you first bought your credits when your credit card cleared (how ever many days that took to process into there accounts.)AND IMVU owns the credits NOT the devs. IMVU does not sell credits to resellers. So WHAT PROFITS will they gain by developers leaving?
Currency
The Site includes in-world fictional currencies ("Currencies" or "Credits" or "Promo Credits" or "Predits" or "Dev Tokens" or "DT" - all of the foregoing are "Credits"), which may be purchased with real world currency and can then be exchanged on this Site for limited license right(s) to use a feature of our Product or a virtual product when, as, and if allowed by IMVU and subject to the terms and conditions of these Terms. IMVU may charge fees for the right to use our Credits, or may distribute our Credits without charge, in IMVU's sole discretion. Regardless of terminology used, IMVU Credits are not redeemable for any sum of real world money or monetary value from IMVU at any time. You agree that IMVU has the absolute right to manage, regulate, control, modify and/or eliminate such Credits as it sees fit in its sole discretion, in any general or specific case, and that IMVU will have no liability to you based on its exercise of such rights. IMVU Credits cannot be used for any kind of wagering, betting or gambling either within or outside of our Site. You also agree to use IMVU's Credits for all transactions involving IMVU Products or virtual products and related use rights and you agree not to create, employ, or utilize any parallel form of virtual currency in connection with any transaction on this Site. IMVU may allow for free exchange of some, all, or none of its Credits via third parties, but IMVU does not assume any responsibility associated with your transactions with such third parties. IMVU is the sole owner of Credits, and as such, retains all intellectual property rights affiliated with ownership. You acknowledge that at no time do you own, nor have any right to, the intellectual property affiliated with Credits. You are hereby prohibited from reselling or distributing Credits without the expressed written consent of IMVU.
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iMVU can still sale their products to customers and still collect profits earned if accounts go delinquent... Delinquent accounts can be taking over by iMVu for huge profits... And probably has been for quit sometime now... Provided the accounts are profitable... Just only show iMVU is greedy... The way they will gain is their will be new Creators still signing up massively like altimes...
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