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This has really saddened me...we are all still human, are we not? There comes a time when thinking only about how things effect you, becomes almost inhuman. If people leave here, and this ship sinks, so would you inevitably.
We need to start caring about what happens to each other...because in the long run most just think "oh well on less competitor" when thats selfish not the case at all. One less dev also means 10 less ppl who could possible leave because there FAVORITE dev did. These 10 ppl leave taking 10 more ppl and so on. There will be a chain effect. Guess who could be on these lists??? Loyal customers to YOU. Some of you don't realize the chain effect that could happen if many creators leave this place.
THEN..thenn we have those of you that think.."ooh well there will be others" umm NO. Not like these creators that have been pretty much since the eariler days. And believe me when THEY go, it WILL get realll quiet around here, maybe not right away but it will...
These are your fellow developers, most are friends, its time some of you look the person next to you because they are just as important as you are.
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| Goldilocks wrote: | | caleb68 wrote: | | You want my honest to god thoughts to why this BS method was put into place? So that IMVU can claim higher numbers of individuals 'using their chat software for chatting' rather then the actual numbers, it is also my thought that they embedded the previewer into the client for the same purpose, to make it 'seem' that they actually have more people using the client for chatting then what they actually do. |
I thought this already, when they first discussed merging creator tools into the client, even before Create Mode went live. I never did like that idea, and was also concerned about the impact it would have on IMVU's servers, to have that many online at one time (both creators and chatters, all on at once). I was told back then that it shouldn't have any effect on the servers. However, IMVU has had numerous website outages since Create Mode was made mandatory in order to create. Do I think this is mere coincidence? No, I honestly don't.
IMVU should never have added creator tools to the chat messenger, in my honest opinion. People were already having trouble with the client, yet IMVU decided to add that much more to it, via Create Mode. I remember expressing numerous concerns back then, including my concern that it would cause many to not be able to create anymore (that's exactly what happened), but I also remember stating that if Create Mode will actually function and do all, as advertised to us, it would be wonderful. So far.... NOT wonderful... just my honest opinion. |
Exactly.. The "better, stronger, faster" was all lies!
CM does not work better than the old previewer.
This idiotic business with having to open the client to edit settings is backwards. What was fairly simple has become a pain in the butt.
How can they make something easy {editing setting via webpage} into something glaringly inefficient, such as being forced to spend half an hour fighting with the client waiting for it to load the files, and having to restart because the darn thing crashes all the time JUST to add an icon, or change price etc. {No I can't buy a flash gaming computer just to use imvu}. I don't take all my product pics at the same time when deriving. 
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| Bonkolina wrote: | | In 1995 "state of the art" was 256k of RAM and a dial up modem. The technology evolved very quickly and by the time you plugged in your computer it was already obsolete. Commercial demand for flash and video and interactivity drove the steady progression to faster machines and faster connections. If we as consumers were not properly equipped, we'd miss out - the technology wasn't going to stand still and wait for all of us to catch up. The demand for bigger, faster and better drove the rapid progression that made a site like IMVU possible - it certainly wouldn't have been possible 15 years ago. |
The average user on the internet uses a machine that is equal to a 2ghz machine. The average user on the internet has 2-4gigs of memory. The average user on the internet has aprox 250gigs of hard drive space. These are statistics that have been compiled by a large user input base.
So being that the average user has a machine thats 2.0ghz with 2-4gigs memory IMVU should be taking into consideration that their software is not the only thing running on the users machines. a large amount of individuals are running windows Vista and Windows 7 on their machines, and there are still many people using windows XP, Windows Vista and Windows 7 on a typical user machine eats up 1gig of memory just at boot. Windows XP machines vary from 500megs to 800megs at boot depending on the manufacturer of the system.
IMVU's software causes high loads on both processor and memory on all three of these operating systems, making it difficult for users to run other applications when the client is running in the background (even when minimized to the start bar).
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For IMVU it's all about what's best for the company and its investors. Time and time again I've seen people threatening to quit, hide their catalogs and never darken IMVU's door again. Well, guess what? Most of them are still here and still creating. So I guess they figure they must be doing something right. |
If in fact IMVU cared about whats best for the company and its investors it would not be adding things to the site that would cause additional loads that aren't required to both the server and the client software, which in this case they've done just that, increased the load to the server by 2 for this particular function. This is not whats best for the customers, nor is it whats best for the company, nor the investors. The only factual thing that this little 'modification' has done is increased the number of people inside the client software, helping give the company a better 'false positive' for numbers of users using the client.
| Bonkolina wrote: | | As Creators, we do not and have never had a very strong bargaining position - the money keeps rolling in no matter how many people jump up and down in protest and threaten to leave. What's their incentive to consult us? A few people make good on their threats and leave, those who encouraged them to do it stick around and carry on with one less competitor, and another dozen step up to their place. |
I agree and disagree with you on this one, look at the number of products that IMVU has themselves in the catalog, look at the number of products that the creators have in the catalog. The vast majority of income created for IMVU and its investors come directly from the creators investment of time and effort to create products and make them available in the catalog. If it were not for the creators (all of them) then IMVU would not be anything near what it is currently nor have as many users as it does.
Why I agree that we have no power is that we as creators will not get enough people to ban together for one purpose or goal on influencing a change at IMVU in a postive manor that benifits the customers, creators, company and investors. If enough developers were to ban together on this site to actually make a influential difference, then the creators would have the power to influence change, but one creator, or even a dozen have no power at all.
| Bonkolina wrote: | | I don't see myself as a customer so much as a business partner. This decision doesn't impact us as customers - it's completely irrelevant to anyone who doesn't create. Do we pay derivation costs in credits? Yes. Do we make money as a result of selling credits we earn here? Many of us do, and some of us rely on it quite heavily. In the grand scheme of things, many of us are coming out way ahead in this deal, no matter how clunky the process gets. I'm lucky enough be one of them, but it didn't come without a lot of hard work and teeth-grinding. |
And this is a contradiction in itself bonk, as if you were a business partner you would be able to influence change for a better way of doing things rather then just being some monkey on the side lines that gets thrown a banana once in a great while. There is no business partnership with IMVU, be it if you were to leave or stay, it would not change anyway anything functions here at IMVU. You earn credits from your sales yes, but you are not given any methods to get reinbursed for these credits, IF your lucky enough to find a reseller to sell these credits to, you can then 'get money' for them at a drastically cut value. IMVU does not give you a means to cash in these credits nor do they give you money for your products, and this is why IMVU's cash flow isn't effected by the number of credits you have sitting there.
| Bonkolina wrote: | | Is it worth walking away from those earnings because they're forcing me to pop open the client to update an icon or a price? (Something I rarely do anyway.) Not for me. Yeah, it's a pain in the butt and not the most elegant way to do things, but so are many things about IMVU. I've always found their processes to be bloated and counter-intuitive, this is nothing new. If each of us could have them design their system around the way we like to work we could be way more productive and happy - but there still will probably be 40 or 50 people vociferously objecting on this forum. |
ITs not just about what we want, its about modifying things that do not need to be modify and causing extra load to the server that didn't need to be added, this doesn't benefit the customers, company nor investors. More SQL calls are going to increase the SQL timeouts we have all come to see as a 'standard feature' here at imvu, causing people to become disconnected and dropped from chats, as this is not a true Per to Per network.
And on your last comment on this little qoute, those 40-50 are those people who actually are still hoping that IMVU will take the time to look and see how badly its effecting people, there would be alot more but as you know and I know many people have just plain given up on IMVU ever listening and dont even bother to come to the forums anymore.
| Bonkolina wrote: | | For instance, I happen to like Create Mode because it does so much more than the old previewer ever did - especially since I started meshing a year ago. Have there been bumps in the road? Absolutely. But it's still a vast improvement over the previewer. STILL people say they HATE create mode because it doesn't do things the way the old previewer did. Improvements don't come without changing the way we do things, and it's always going to be a difficult adjustment for SOMEBODY. |
I dont hate create mode, I like it, but I hate the fact that its embedded in the client and isn't separate. Combining these caused a increase in processor load for 'creating' and while the 'create mode' is a good idea the methods of combining them into a single application isn't.
| Bonkolina wrote: | | So we all have a different way of looking at things, and our experiences are as diverse as we are. My point has been simply this: rather than waste your time cursing the darkness, light a candle. Look for a way to work around it and plan on having to do that A LOT because I'm certain that the changes won't stop here. Ultimately it's your decision to stick with it or let it go. |
Everyone has different ways of looking at things and different experiences and if they do not voice the way they feel about something that may be a adverse effect then no one would ever know. The changes wont stop here, theres too much that they still want to change but the methods that they are implementing are worse for the system then what was already in play, and im sure that its eventually going to get so bad that even those 'top of the line' systems are going to be crashing left or right.
IMVU doesn't think its plans through good enough, they seek no feedback to how its going to effect those who are still willing to use the software, and they do not take the time to consider the overall impact that those changes are going to cause.
P.S. far as the 'threats of leaving' there are many that have, and some rather large names, and hid their catalog, ones that had been here for a rather long time and invested alot of money, time and effort to make really good products, products we can no longer get to do to IMVU and the choices they chose.
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People really need to think about how these changes effect the whole system, not just the 'function' of the change. This change is adverse and will effect the system in a bad way. It wasn't well thought out and it wasn't well implemented. The new method adversely effects the whole of the site, not just the function that its doing.
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I see the word selfish get thrown around a lot on here... I'm not sure if that is the right word, or if I even know the correct word for it.
Don't selfish people generally want things to be better for their own benefit? I know I do...
And I know that means not wanting to lose my favorite developers, especially my favorite meshers... I know it means not wanting to see this site fail because no one can run it and no one wants to buy my products so I can't even afford to dev anymore without going back to buying credits.
I did work really hard and reach my goal to be able to dev, shop, buy gifts for my friends, and run my group without having to buy another credit. It's been nice since I reached that goal and this huge selfish part of me would like to keep it that way.
I'm very well aware just how much harder it would be to maintain that and enjoy just simply hanging out on this site if it continually becomes harder to run and I start to lose all of my friends and favorite developers because they are not capable of using the client anymore.
I think that it's really just something that we should all want.. For IMVU to work at its best and be as successful as possible. The better IMVU is doing, the better off we all are.
In most of these posts, that seems to be what people are asking for.. So, no.. I don't believe that quietly adapting or leaving are the right answers.. If there even is a right answer.. |
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| Jakx wrote: |
I think that it's really just something that we should all want.. For IMVU to work at its best and be as successful as possible. The better IMVU is doing, the better off we all are.
In most of these posts, that seems to be what people are asking for.. So, no.. I don't believe that quietly adapting or leaving are the right answers.. If there even is a right answer.. |
Bingo...
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For staff:
My list of reasons against the edit link:
1. Clicking the link doesn’t work for all developers. Browsers vary as do computer systems and their software such as firewalls, antivirus, windows ect. The client/create mode is not stable enough to force such a change. Daily IMVU creates new versions that fail at any given time. Whether we can use 464. or not we were all forced over to that version worse over a weekend. By forcing devs into create mode for simple web changes it’s a 50/50 chance they can continue creating while a bug or issue is being resolved when we could trudge on while it’s being sorted. IMVU prides itself on its decision to perform numerous builds daily while forgetting the toll, bugs and more that hurt their customers. Great for IMVU..not so great for us. IMVU can not promise that by forcing simple changes into create mode that create mode will always be useable. The decision to create daily builds and constant changes has a huge downside which is never mentioned in all the boasts and brags.
2. This change adds more work for developers. IMVU will not be personally using the tool to nor made to suffer through the added steps. Devs’ are the ones being railroaded into the new process and will have to use it everyday. Because of that how we feel should be considered. We create the products that make the IMVU mega verse go round…not IMVU.
3. Developers prefer the web based version over the create mode based. IMVU insists developers prefer the client to shop, create, perform developer related searches when we have at least 50 threads numerous pages long that state and prove otherwise more if we go back a few years. “We” being developers..not “IMVU” like the ease of use that the web version offers us. Loading software to make web based changes is what “IMVU” wants. Its hard not to lash out at IMVU for making web based changes seem like actual product changes. We know IMVU wants us to see its vision to put most features into the client…but developers are developers…we need what is easiest for us…we have asked for tools, useable features to market and more for the client..Instead we see ourselves shut out of more and more features that helped us with nothing in exchange. No tools, no marketing, more steps, more work…I for one can not share IMVU’s vision until we have what we need. If IMVU would like developers to embrace the client they need to give us incentive. Taking all of our marketing, ability to add instructions, ease of use, easier client shop and more are needed to bribe us. Until then, we can market, advert, make simple changes with ease via the web version. Why wouldn’t we want to keep the web side? What has IMVu done for us client side?....NADA, ZIP, ZILCH, ZERO IMVU is making forced changes that it alone wants and supports.
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Since this is the bulk of it...
I don't want this buried.
This is OUR list of reasons...
There isn't much more that needs to be said...because this is enough in my opinion.
IMVU...are you reading this?
Can we get Varsha or katiemarie to at least let us know they are reading this beyond having a moderator post so...
If you can't speak...at least nod?
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| caleb68 wrote: | The average user on the internet uses a machine that is equal to a 2ghz machine. The average user on the internet has 2-4gigs of memory. The average user on the internet has aprox 250gigs of hard drive space. These are statistics that have been compiled by a large user input base.
So being that the average user has a machine thats 2.0ghz with 2-4gigs memory IMVU should be taking into consideration that their software is not the only thing running on the users machines. a large amount of individuals are running windows Vista and Windows 7 on their machines, and there are still many people using windows XP, Windows Vista and Windows 7 on a typical user machine eats up 1gig of memory just at boot. Windows XP machines vary from 500megs to 800megs at boot depending on the manufacturer of the system.
IMVU's software causes high loads on both processor and memory on all three of these operating systems, making it difficult for users to run other applications when the client is running in the background (even when minimized to the start bar).
ITs not just about what we want, its about modifying things that do not need to be modify and causing extra load to the server that didn't need to be added, this doesn't benefit the customers, company nor investors. More SQL calls are going to increase the SQL timeouts we have all come to see as a 'standard feature' here at imvu, causing people to become disconnected and dropped from chats, as this is not a true Per to Per network.
I dont hate create mode, I like it, but I hate the fact that its embedded in the client and isn't separate. Combining these caused a increase in processor load for 'creating' and while the 'create mode' is a good idea the methods of combining them into a single application isn't.
The changes wont stop here, theres too much that they still want to change but the methods that they are implementing are worse for the system then what was already in play, and im sure that its eventually going to get so bad that even those 'top of the line' systems are going to be crashing left or right.
IMVU doesn't think its plans through good enough, they seek no feedback to how its going to effect those who are still willing to use the software, and they do not take the time to consider the overall impact that those changes are going to cause.
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People really need to think about how these changes effect the whole system, not just the 'function' of the change. This change is adverse and will effect the system in a bad way. It wasn't well thought out and it wasn't well implemented. The new method adversely effects the whole of the site, not just the function that its doing. |
*Bolded parts by me* Caleb... On behalf of myself and the thousands upon thousands of posts over the past couple of years, expressing concern over the functionality of the client and the IMVU website.... Thank you! You said what I was trying to say much better, backed with more knowledge than myself. Yes, it's not about just this one "feature".... It's about the big picture and its overall impact on the whole of IMVU. It's just one more thing... in the wrong direction.
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| Goldilocks wrote: | | caleb68 wrote: | The average user on the internet uses a machine that is equal to a 2ghz machine. The average user on the internet has 2-4gigs of memory. The average user on the internet has aprox 250gigs of hard drive space. These are statistics that have been compiled by a large user input base.
So being that the average user has a machine thats 2.0ghz with 2-4gigs memory IMVU should be taking into consideration that their software is not the only thing running on the users machines. a large amount of individuals are running windows Vista and Windows 7 on their machines, and there are still many people using windows XP, Windows Vista and Windows 7 on a typical user machine eats up 1gig of memory just at boot. Windows XP machines vary from 500megs to 800megs at boot depending on the manufacturer of the system.
IMVU's software causes high loads on both processor and memory on all three of these operating systems, making it difficult for users to run other applications when the client is running in the background (even when minimized to the start bar).
ITs not just about what we want, its about modifying things that do not need to be modify and causing extra load to the server that didn't need to be added, this doesn't benefit the customers, company nor investors. More SQL calls are going to increase the SQL timeouts we have all come to see as a 'standard feature' here at imvu, causing people to become disconnected and dropped from chats, as this is not a true Per to Per network.
I dont hate create mode, I like it, but I hate the fact that its embedded in the client and isn't separate. Combining these caused a increase in processor load for 'creating' and while the 'create mode' is a good idea the methods of combining them into a single application isn't.
The changes wont stop here, theres too much that they still want to change but the methods that they are implementing are worse for the system then what was already in play, and im sure that its eventually going to get so bad that even those 'top of the line' systems are going to be crashing left or right.
IMVU doesn't think its plans through good enough, they seek no feedback to how its going to effect those who are still willing to use the software, and they do not take the time to consider the overall impact that those changes are going to cause.
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People really need to think about how these changes effect the whole system, not just the 'function' of the change. This change is adverse and will effect the system in a bad way. It wasn't well thought out and it wasn't well implemented. The new method adversely effects the whole of the site, not just the function that its doing. |
*Bolded parts by me* Caleb... On behalf of myself and the thousands upon thousands of posts over the past couple of years, expressing concern over the functionality of the client and the IMVU website.... Thank you! You said what I was trying to say much better, backed with more knowledge than myself. Yes, it's not about just this one "feature".... It's about the big picture and its overall impact on the whole of IMVU. It's just one more thing... in the wrong direction. |
4 years ago...I handed IMVU engineers my Sony Vaio laptop that was about 4 months old. I had paid $1000 for the laptop. I didn't hesitate. I didn't consider what I would do without it.
I handed it to them so that they could use MY machine to test the issues of a common user after my "demonstration" of how I used the site. Large inventory was a big concern for me...because I was a shopper. I had just begun creating at that point, but never expected to get so immersed into the program.
My point...I took a leap of faith and they open armed walked away with my laptop. Those were the days of excitement and discovery. IMVU loved their users and wanted them involved in creating this phenomenal world that was different than all others.
I felt needed and respected as a customer.
They were nice enough to take a laptop off an employees desk and send me home with it so I wouldn't be out a computer. That was even more solidifying for me. I had connected with an amazing group of people.
How quickly they forget.
When Will Harvey stepped down and Cary J stepped in...I saw a gradual change that has now become race to not care.
Design has not taken the common user into consideration.
Worse yet - I see some of you condoning the behavior. Not only is that non-competitive behavior...it is disgusting to me. Adapt or leave? Seriously.
Why don't you want me here? Do you fear my creative perspective? Am I that great a creator that I instill fear in you because I am sooooo awesome?
When Sony created Playstation I did they make their software games dissolve when they release Playstation II? And then when they released III did the second unit just stop functioning for those who invested?
IMVU - Please hear us.
Stop making changes that create bigger numbers in the client counter. I use your chat software as a USER and I am being punished for being one of those people who have supported you.
Stop being dishonest.
And please read the list. DA5 outlined it clearly. It makes sense. You have made these design changes for a self-serving purpose - not for better function and streamlining a process.
Again as I have said before...it is a big person who can admit they made a mistake and correct it. The problem is - you keep failing me here.
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Taking all of our marketing, ability to add instructions, ease of use, easier client shop and more are needed to bribe us. |
*points up* this made me chuckle, but I for one can not be bribed.
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"Why wouldn’t we want to keep the web side? What has IMVu done for us client side?....NADA, ZIP, ZILCH, ZERO IMVU is making forced changes that it alone wants and supports."
"People really need to think about how these changes effect the whole system, not just the 'function' of the change. This change is adverse and will effect the system in a bad way. It wasn't well thought out and it wasn't well implemented. The new method adversely effects the whole of the site, not just the function that its doing."
Couldn't agree more. So many changes have been implemented and I usually think hmm, not sure about this one, but always find a way to get by and wait with anticipation on whats coming down the pike next. Unfortunately, IMVU has now made even me worry and wonder, and I don't get too uptight about too many things.
Post link to this thread in pulse in hopes of spreading the word.
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| Notorious wrote: | | Again as I have said before...it is a big person who can admit they made a mistake and correct it. The problem is - you keep failing me here. |
I found IMVU isn't good at admitting that they are wrong, it was perfectly pointed out to me when i found a serious flaw with their avatar skeleton and tried pointing it out to them, it took 3 months just to get someone to actually look at the file. Got Matt to take a look and he was the one who finally said 'yep your right its broken' rather then 'it must be you' when it really was theirs.
So... seeing IMVU stand up and admit they made a mistake, let alone fix it, would probably shock and amaze alot of people here.
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| Quote: | | 2. This change adds more work for developers. IMVU will not be personally using the tool to nor made to suffer through the added steps. Devs’ are the ones being railroaded into the new process and will have to use it everyday. Because of that how we feel should be considered. We create the products that make the IMVU mega verse go round…not IMVU. |
This is really the bulk of my issues with the process. While I understand how many feel about not being able to run the client because of how heavy it is or whatever, what I've noticed on my computer and those of friends and family is that while IMVU is running at roughly 200k-400k, programs like photoshop and firefox take up 1.5 million. Keeping open these programs are what drives my computer speed down. If we were able to have EITHER the whole process in client (which runs lighter than firefox) OR have it so that we can edit our changes via internet browser. Would it be so much work to add back in the ability to change icon pics and prices to the "edit html" section?
Also out of curiosity, since I've heard so many people complain time and time again about not being able to run imvu, I would love to see what some other people are running at in order to see if there is possibly some bug effecting some users. It SHOULD be that if you don't have a problem using the web, then you should be fine running imvu. If that's not the case... then what is the root of the problem?
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| Notorious wrote: | | DarkAngel5 wrote: |
For staff:
My list of reasons against the edit link:
1. Clicking the link doesn’t work for all developers. Browsers vary as do computer systems and their software such as firewalls, antivirus, windows ect. The client/create mode is not stable enough to force such a change. Daily IMVU creates new versions that fail at any given time. Whether we can use 464. or not we were all forced over to that version worse over a weekend. By forcing devs into create mode for simple web changes it’s a 50/50 chance they can continue creating while a bug or issue is being resolved when we could trudge on while it’s being sorted. IMVU prides itself on its decision to perform numerous builds daily while forgetting the toll, bugs and more that hurt their customers. Great for IMVU..not so great for us. IMVU can not promise that by forcing simple changes into create mode that create mode will always be useable. The decision to create daily builds and constant changes has a huge downside which is never mentioned in all the boasts and brags.
2. This change adds more work for developers. IMVU will not be personally using the tool to nor made to suffer through the added steps. Devs’ are the ones being railroaded into the new process and will have to use it everyday. Because of that how we feel should be considered. We create the products that make the IMVU mega verse go round…not IMVU.
3. Developers prefer the web based version over the create mode based. IMVU insists developers prefer the client to shop, create, perform developer related searches when we have at least 50 threads numerous pages long that state and prove otherwise more if we go back a few years. “We” being developers..not “IMVU” like the ease of use that the web version offers us. Loading software to make web based changes is what “IMVU” wants. Its hard not to lash out at IMVU for making web based changes seem like actual product changes. We know IMVU wants us to see its vision to put most features into the client…but developers are developers…we need what is easiest for us…we have asked for tools, useable features to market and more for the client..Instead we see ourselves shut out of more and more features that helped us with nothing in exchange. No tools, no marketing, more steps, more work…I for one can not share IMVU’s vision until we have what we need. If IMVU would like developers to embrace the client they need to give us incentive. Taking all of our marketing, ability to add instructions, ease of use, easier client shop and more are needed to bribe us. Until then, we can market, advert, make simple changes with ease via the web version. Why wouldn’t we want to keep the web side? What has IMVu done for us client side?....NADA, ZIP, ZILCH, ZERO IMVU is making forced changes that it alone wants and supports.
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Since this is the bulk of it...
I don't want this buried.
This is OUR list of reasons...
There isn't much more that needs to be said...because this is enough in my opinion.
IMVU...are you reading this?
Can we get Varsha or katiemarie to at least let us know they are reading this beyond having a moderator post so...
If you can't speak...at least nod? |
EXACTLY!
I like to create but honestly with all these changes, IMVU is making it easier and easier for me to lose hope and desire. I keep holding on in hopes that one day, we will be heard. ): I like shopping from the web, as I don't use the shop feature on client other than to try things on much after I've added them to my wish list for later purposes. Even when I do want to buy something instantly, I avoid buying it from the shop mode because I'm just not that interested in the feature. That is not the complete point here though. I LIKE being able to edit my pages from the web. It's less lag for me when I don't have to have all my programs running at once. Close the non-important ones? I shouldn't have to. These forced updates are not necessary in my opinion and I'm sure plenty others agree as well as those whom have already stated their two cents.
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This thing already glitched, it set products to derivable by itself.
A big confusion is being created by combining the client settings with the web settings. It would'have been way better if you just kept the web settings page, and save us all crashes, complications and confusions. Some old things are better than "NEW" features made just to be made, but not with a useful purpose.
Stop making these stupid changes just so you can have some updates from time to time.
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