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GuardianRob 
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 Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:44 am Post subject: Audio Restriction for 3D products - Now live |
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Heya all,
a little more than a week ago I notified the creator community the following information:
For quite sometime everyone has been concerned about audio files being created and entered into the catalog.
In about 2 weeks; this can change to 1 week, depending on implementation we will be launching this restriction. The primary reason behind this is due to the file size and bandwidth these products take up on our service. This needed to be addressed and we have been working on this for quite sometime.
From the day we launch this process on, anyone who submits an audio file to the catalog, will find that it will be cut down to 20 seconds. This will be for any audio file format (example: OGG File format)
This will not affect products already in the catalog, just new products submitted.
I was just informed this is now live, and is active in all pre-releases since version 403.0
The Terms of Service and Virtual Goods Policy will also reflect these changes.
Feel free to ask any questions you have on this topic, however please keep it to a Q&A. The Moderators will enforce any disruptions to this thread.
Thanks,
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| GuardianRob wrote: | | SixWeekOldHedgehog wrote: | | GuardianRob wrote: | | I was just informed this is now live, and is active in all pre-releases since version 403.0 |
(my emphasis in bold)
Does this mean that if someone has a client version before 403.0 they will still hear the full file?
You mentioned previously that products already in the catalog won't be affected, is this still the case?
And finally, looking forward to seeing a solution for all the great legal musicians on IMVU. Eagerly awaiting more info on the playlist service if that's what it is... |
The current versions of the client are going to force the update, so not updating your client means you wont have any of the bugs or issues addressed by using an older version. However yes, until it is changed, anyone using an older version will still be able to listen to their audio.
Yes, older audio wont be affected, as far as I know.
Thanks, |
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| GuardianRob wrote: | | MissBiancaL wrote: | Hi rob i understand the bandwith isue is it possible to make music longer than 20 sec avalible for vip only so they pay for the extra bandwith and storage on youre servers.
when and how can we recieve info to make full music when you can proof that you have the proper licence to the music.
I read in a other tread you mentioned that it wash still possible in the future. |
Sorry no, the new changes to only 20 seconds are primarily to cover for our service, we cant make this exception.
We are still working on that part, your second question. |
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| N8Downs wrote: | | perpetualbooty wrote: | | so are you saying that if i put a music player on my page from myspace that its only going to play for 20 seconds and thats it, unless i get one from imvu, then it will play the full songs? |
Audio on homepages will not be affected by this change. Only audio in the 3D chat client. |
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| N8Downs wrote: | | Woolooloo wrote: | | Earlier I thought I read that this would limit the number of sound files you could put on one item. This would restrict the making of chat sounds, et.c. Has this changed, or did i misread? |
The limit is per specific audio file, not of the product in total. Thus, you can have a product with 10 audio triggers, each playing 20 seconds and that is fine. |
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| N8Downs wrote: | | MsMedea wrote: | | N8Downs wrote: |
The limit is per specific audio file, not of the product in total. Thus, you can have a product with 10 audio triggers, each playing 20 seconds and that is fine. |
Can i please have an confirmation on this information.
We were previously told that the TOTAL amount of audio on any one product will be limited to 20 seconds.
There for you could have one trigger with 20 seconds or 10 triggers with 2 seconds - But the total net amount of audio is capped at 20 no matter what
If it is indeed what you said that would be great for me as a producer of chat sounds. I would just have to keep each to less than 20 seconds which is plenty of time.
Again - PLEASE - I need confirmation on the seemingly contradictory information..... |
What I said before is correct. |
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| N8Downs wrote: | | KreiosK wrote: | | Rob, does this also affect products which are linked to streaming audio, or just audio embeded products??? |
Products with streaming flash players will not be affected. |
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| N8Downs wrote: | | PrettyWhisper wrote: | | Still haven't seen an answer, what about the music files that have already been submitted to peer review before this new audio term. Are they under the new rules, or are they still under the old rules? |
The product id limit is 2658155, regardless of peer review. Products with Ids less than that number will not be limited. Products with Ids greater than than number will be limited to 20 seconds per clip. |
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| Mommajack wrote: | | Do not misunderstand, they are not getting rid of music. See here. |
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| N8Downs wrote: | | KimberleyJo wrote: |
PINK bar above the regular "your item is in peer review bar"
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Reaching back a few pages to address a question.
Yes, the pink bar is appearing on all products past the cutoff regardless of whether or not they contain audio clips. I did it this way for two reasons:
1. We want to raise awareness of this issue to people who may not read the forums/news regularly. As evidenced by this thread, it's a pretty hot issue. If someone's going to be upset about the audio limit, we'd like him/her to be informed upfront rather than being surprised. Yeah, this is in your face all over the place, but you can't say you weren't warned.
2. It would have been prohibitively difficult to open up the CFL from the website and check the contents for audio files and display the bar only where absolutely appropriate.
This bar will not remain forever. After the audio limit is old news to everybody, the pink bar will be scrapped. The 'Audio:Limited' will remain next to the CFL size to denote those products that have a sound limit. |
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| N8Downs wrote: | | KimberleyJo wrote: | ...is there any chance that IMVU will reword the statement on the pink bar to reflect that the listed product MAY have a sound bite????
The wording you have now suggests that it does. |
Thanks for the constructive feedback. Expect the text to be changed in the next 30 or so minutes. |
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| N8Downs wrote: | | Polystyrene wrote: | | GuardianRob wrote: | | The current versions of the client are going to force the update, so not updating your client means you wont have any of the bugs or issues addressed by using an older version. However yes, until it is changed, anyone using an older version will still be able to listen to their audio. |
Can we please have some clarification on the client version thing? When you say that it's "active in all pre-releases since version 403.0" it sounds like no matter when a sound product was updated, if you are on a version older than 403.0 you will hear the full song - only people on 403.0 or later get their sound files cut. Which seems very silly and I hope I am misunderstanding. But what you have said doesn't make a lot of sense lol. |
To say it as plainly as possible:
Audio clips (in products after the cutoff id) will be limited in any version later than 403.2. IMVU version 403.0 and earlier will not limit audio clips. |
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| GuardianRob wrote: | | panama2774 wrote: | WELL.......SINCE THE NEW MUSIC WILL ONLY BE 20 SECONDS LONG, IS THE SUBMISSION PRICE FOR MUSIC GOING TO DROP ALSO  ? |
No, the submission fees will not be changed. |
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| N8Downs wrote: | | LankanDivaCheekyB wrote: | | ive a question..now if i am to go back to edit an old music item in the catalouge?will it effect that item?because it does with peer..want to make sure dont want to have to remove products from the catalogue or have complaints by customers saying old items have been cut to 20 secs.. |
Since editing a product does not affect the product id, editing will not affect whether or not the product's audio will be limited. |
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| N8Downs wrote: | | bruins77 wrote: | | when the music gets disabled are the devs goin to get the credits back they invested in making the items |
Nobody's said anything about audio being disabled. Old products will still work as they always have. We're discussing a change that affects future development of virtual goods. |
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Mandie 
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Wooot thank you Rob.
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Tor
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:19 am Post subject: |
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wickid news  can see PR running alot more quickly and smoothly now
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SixWeekOldHedgehog
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: Audio Restriction for 3D products - Now live |
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| GuardianRob wrote: | | I was just informed this is now live, and is active in all pre-releases since version 403.0 |
(my emphasis in bold)
Does this mean that if someone has a client version before 403.0 they will still hear the full file?
You mentioned previously that products already in the catalog won't be affected, is this still the case?
And finally, looking forward to seeing a solution for all the great legal musicians on IMVU. Eagerly awaiting more info on the playlist service if that's what it is...
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MissBiancaL
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:05 pm Post subject: When is info avalible for legal music developers |
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Hi rob i understand the bandwith isue is it possible to make music longer than 20 sec avalible for vip only so they pay for the extra bandwith and storage on youre servers.
when and how can we recieve info to make full music when you can proof that you have the proper licence to the music.
I read in a other tread you mentioned that it wash still possible in the future. |
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georgiejo
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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??????IMVU Music Playlist Service ??????
Please...
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GuardianRob
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:19 pm Post subject: Re: Audio Restriction for 3D products - Now live |
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| SixWeekOldHedgehog wrote: | | GuardianRob wrote: | | I was just informed this is now live, and is active in all pre-releases since version 403.0 |
(my emphasis in bold)
Does this mean that if someone has a client version before 403.0 they will still hear the full file?
You mentioned previously that products already in the catalog won't be affected, is this still the case?
And finally, looking forward to seeing a solution for all the great legal musicians on IMVU. Eagerly awaiting more info on the playlist service if that's what it is... |
The current versions of the client are going to force the update, so not updating your client means you wont have any of the bugs or issues addressed by using an older version. However yes, until it is changed, anyone using an older version will still be able to listen to their audio.
Yes, older audio wont be affected, as far as I know.
Thanks, |
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GuardianRob
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: When is info avalible for legal music developers |
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| MissBiancaL wrote: | Hi rob i understand the bandwith isue is it possible to make music longer than 20 sec avalible for vip only so they pay for the extra bandwith and storage on youre servers.
when and how can we recieve info to make full music when you can proof that you have the proper licence to the music.
I read in a other tread you mentioned that it wash still possible in the future. |
Sorry no, the new changes to only 20 seconds are primarily to cover for our service, we cant make this exception.
We are still working on that part, your second question. |
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TheMouseMaiden
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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wow. this sounds absolutely terrible. sounds like imvu is about to get way way more boring. Sounds like death to the current imvu club scene.
I ask this with no sarcasm, but why are you making 20 second clips again? what purpose does it serve? |
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Greenfayrie
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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| georgiejo wrote: | ??????IMVU Music Playlist Service ??????
Please...
Georgie |
^ *points up* answer please...what is IMVU Music Playlist Service ??????????
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Woolooloo
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Earlier I thought I read that this would limit the number of sound files you could put on one item. This would restrict the making of chat sounds, et.c. Has this changed, or did i misread? |
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Greenfayrie
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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click link to see imvu music store info
http://tinyurl.com/3zuant
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lilGataki
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Hello, What about the items that are in review still, but were posted before this came into effect, what happens to those? |
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SexySoSoft
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:21 pm Post subject: music player |
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so are you saying that if i put a music player on my page from myspace that its only going to play for 20 seconds and thats it, unless i get one from imvu, then it will play the full songs?
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PrynsessJess
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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If it doesn't affect files already submitted to the catalog how exactly does that "fix" anything?
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