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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You think it's a simple case of a single increased cost that we as users and IMVU as a company would end up taking it's not. Not only does the other type of license costs vastly more, but the royalties that are paid out end up going on a sliding scale that scale goes in one direction up and up and up and up and starts off higher than the current royalties. Add into this that the music would still only be a streaming service to which the rights on tracks can be pulled at the drop of a hat and you still wouldn't even own the tracks let alone be allowed to place them on the likes of your MP3's. Companies that have tried this path have fallen flat on their face because their tracks to cover the cost to the company ended up costing double that of going to the likes of Itunes or going down the high street and buying the CD off the shelf.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lets take your very own iTunes example - A song on iTunes costs approximately $1.50 depending on some variables - so lets just use a buck fifty as example and not get caught up arguing in fractions of some cents . So in the theory of people would never pay a vast increased total amount more for a song on imvu when they can do it on iTunes for less - Lets now imagine and say its double that iTunes cost per song of $1.50 and is on imvu $3.00 or 3000 credits , now lets add another 50 cents just to be safe . . So youre telling me and trying to convince yourself that people will buy a virtual shirt or room on imvu for 3 bucks - 3000 credits or way way more but they'd NEVER be willing to do that for a song .

Now in your opinion it would be some ( ridiculous to me ) cost like that as in more than double current , in my opinion it wouldn't be nearly that high . Yet i'm sure even when i agree with your more than double the cost showing its not some astronomical un-affordable amount you still will find it flawed and disagree with - in essence not only disagree with myself for showing you how that works but disagree with yourself too as i've used your way of more than itunes numbers plus a 50 cent surcharge maths . . As for this sliding scale imvu is never going to sell that amount of songs making it imho your imaginary frenemy .

To add to the silliness this all is - people stopped buying cd's in the 90s , welcome to 20/20 . Lova ya keed I really really do love ya puddin !
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The other license just in it's inital cost is almost double that of the current license. The royalties start off getting paid at higher amounts as well and even worse the more tracks sold and played they charge even more and that keeps on going up. IE IMVU gets this everyone keeps on playing the tracks over and over then IMVU forks out more and more money for that to be happening. Having the other license doesn't assure that IMVU is going to see more users buying tracks it doesn't even assure them of getting more credit sales. What it can assure them of is a pretty damned hefty chunk in the first place. And again if you buy off Itune you get to keep the track the license doesn't get revoked you get to play the tracks on other mediums without being logged onto IMVU.

So think of this lets make them the same cost as Itunes tracks i can play the track across multiple mediums computer, phone, MP even stereos and in the car. You honestly think people are going to pay that very same price for something that can only be listened to on IMVU.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So think of this lets make them the same cost as Itunes tracks i can play the track across multiple mediums computer, phone, MP even stereos and in the car. You honestly think people are going to pay that very same price for something that can only be listened to on IMVU.



Actually, I do....because I don't think people look at Virtual currency the same was as real money. So yes, I think they'd be willing to part with virtual currency over a higher priced song....then say actual cash.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really because you still have to buy the real credits in the first place and i really don't know all that many people who are willing to pay more money to get a lesser product IE. IMVU's music service and what it will allow a person to do with the tunes is inferior to being simply able to buy an album single etc and use as you please how you please.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're proving our own points in what you write yourself . .
People already are buying songs on imvu an inferior product in comparison to a hard copy or at iTunes et al . . Such as everyone you know who owns a song on imvu which is probably everyone you know on imvu . . .

Also you're missing the point of many points , first it would be a completely different scale of things . As in at a higher cost per unit they would sell a smaller fraction of total yet at the same time profit a bit more . . . ( dont just disagree , read this whole thing first then feel free .) Also they could take advantage of ad revenue and many other marketing aspects to make up for the overheads / initial costs .
After all in the music store there really are no ads , if people will watch a short ad on youtube before listening to a song they surely do the same at imvu - after all every other page is full of ads including this one .

Think of how many times this year you played any particular song on imvu . . Not a lot so the sliding scale which I know for fact wouldn't even work like that even if so would never reach millions of users to become an increase in cost to imvu . I know you will never agree with that point but imvu isnt some major broadcaster and never will be one of the big dogs in the music entertainment world .

Now even though they would sell less songs at a higher price per unit . . The profit margin would increase due to imvu's cut also being a small percentage higher . As for the license cost again with ad revenue and too many methods to get into contractually , we the users would and as noted by users above pay for those costs in an increased price range .

Another point to point out of that one aspect of too many to list - is as an artist when you see ad revenue and click - through coming to your site from sales at imvu you would then become more interested to join in , make more songs available and word of mouth to your artist peers et al . . I could go on and on about the benefits not being considered but enough of that already .

As I've shown above even more than double the price isn't some un-affordable amount . Now does it make sense that people buy a song here when they can listen to it free on youtube ? Of course not but does it make sense they spend even way more than a song costs for a room they can't use in real life , a car , a shirt ? No it doesn't make sense but that is imvu for you its own little world with its own intricacies to escape reality even if only for a song and a dance . Heck does it make sense that people pay 200 bucks a month for cable tv with advertisements when they can download it all for free with no ads ? No it does not but people like the tv , like imvu and so on and do pay more than they should because for them it is worth it .

See you already can buy the mp3 here at imvu and that is no different than being able to use it anywhere . When you combine the two this is what would double the price in cost to users - whomso again would be happy to pay if indeed so they were interested to buy both for such purpose ifso given the choice . This is where imvu got its demographics completely backwards thinking as they so often do .I'm not saying there everyone would want to buy it both ways . . Saying this because here is another thing you aren't considering nor did imvu during this snafu . Most of the songs people buy on imvu they probably already own the dvd , cd , mp3 , iTunes et al version of . Yet they also buy it to listen to here on imvu for the convenience and to share with friends in a different way . I mean think about it really think what percent of the songs people buy on imvu are new songs they never heard before , very few . 90% of the songs I own or gifted on imvu I or my giftee already own elsewhere such as a cd , dvd , mp3 , iTunes et al . I own probably 100 songs only one of them is a purchase after hearing the song I never heard before and the funny thing about that is when I told the person I loved the song and added it to my wishlist they gifted it to me . So not only will people buy a song on iTunes then buy it for themselves on imvu they will also then buy it again to gift to people they love/like and even in some cases total strangers who beg .

again . . . It takes money to make money and that isn't a saying for no reason . So As for the license cost not only can they make up for it by ad revenue and other methods . When you invest in improving yourself or you company especially that of which users request you will profit .
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know for a fact do you so you have sat down and had to do the sums on such a legal agreement for the license in question???

The profit margin doesn't increase when you out of what you sell has to be used to pay off what has been a increased license fee. You end up having to sell more to cover the cost of the initial fee or whole sale price of a item before you start to see a profit.' Then once you possibly see a profit you still have to cover the cost of paying out royalties every time the track gets played and the more time that tracks gets plaayed the more you have to pay even if that track was only bought once. So a $1.50 track bought once with say a royalty fee 0.05cents paid in royalties every time it's played and gets played say a hundred times results in $5 paid in royalties to a track that was only bought for $1.50 making a loss of $3.50 in the end. IMVU is never going to sell more than gets played over a streaming service because no other company that sells such a service has ever managed it and stayed in business.
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