What's The Obsession With Pro?

Ao · Joined: 23 Apr 2008 Posts: 4550 Location: United Kingdom

Question: If you're a hobby dev why do you even care what other people are doing who take this seriously?

From the facts 4u posted and just in general it seems it's not actually that easy to get pro... 0.94%.......wow everyone is pro

If you ain't pro and think it's that easy come back 1st september with your pro badge...
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Way · Joined: 11 Aug 2007 Posts: 5120 Location: USA - NV

ZaraKaine · Joined: 26 Jun 2011 Posts: 6126 Location:

Why does everyone think all pros buy lots of credits and gift spam ?

I mean, I know a lot do, but sometimes it's just dumb luck ... I say this because I do nothing differently to when I was tier 1, maybe just improved my skills a little Confused

Why are people trying to make me feel ashamed of achieving something ?

Oh well, if bashing noobs and VIPs has got old, I suppose pros are as good a target as any.
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Polystyrene · Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 20323 Location: Australia

Way · Joined: 11 Aug 2007 Posts: 5120 Location: USA - NV

Ismeny · Joined: 31 Mar 2009 Posts: 3760 Location: El Salvador

I have been able to keep pro for four months, I must confess now I dont want the tier evaluation comes at end of every month lol ... I know I will lose it, because I havent had the time enough to create more products ... for me, it has been very difficult, I am a texturer, I try to give the best, I try to improve everyday ... with this pro tag, I have noticed my sales are a bit more higher than before, that could be maybe the consumer behaviour about pro developers or I dont know, but definitely has helped me a lot, so if someone asks me if I would like to keep the pro... I would say yes of course Very Happy

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Abbreviate · Joined: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 4661 Location: United Kingdom

Okay, this is very quickly turning into an argument. VERY quickly. I never intended it as that. What I wanted was a discussion on why new developers think Pro is the only way to go. I was never (or never intended to be) rude to anyone else, and I expect that back. We're all adults (or at least act like them) in here.

Hottest Products - 90% of what's there is achieved by some form of gift spam, copyrighted logos or copy/paste textures. This is the case, at least, for the male section. It's very rare I venture into female. I never said ALL Pro developers get Pro this way.

I'm not having a bash as Pro's. If they worked their way their through Photoshop/Gimp and put at least some effort into their hand-made work I really do support them. What I don't agree with is those who use Google to find images, or slap a real life image onto a mesh, or those who put a Nike logo onto things. That's not effort. The initial idea with Pro was to reward hard working developers with something. Now there are a huge number of Pro developers. Yes, it may be a small percentage, but compare it to the number of 'regular' developer. If you worked out the numbers it's a huge amount. When I joined this site, there were a handful of Pro developers. Now there seems to be so many.

To those who said being Pro is easy, it is. That is, if you stick Chanel or Nike on all of your products, buy 500k and submit EVERYTHING and then gift everything to x many people and get to the hottest products. If you do it the honest way by making your products from scratch, then it is difficult. However I have seen developer like Yoru, for example, make Pro in a matter of months. He does spend endless hours in Photoshop, and his effort does show.

There are people who only shop Pro and my point about this was that there are so many developers who are better than some Pros and are not Pro themselves. Again, taking Yoru as an example, before he was Pro, he was stuck at T2 for about 2 months before his sales kicked off big time. His products were ALWAYS stunning and ALWAYS hand made. I then look at some of the copy-paste Pros and it makes me wonder why some people only shop Pro. It's such a shame. They buy (some) garbage by sticking to Pros and miss out on the gems like Yoru.

I never wished to start an argument or a heated debate and I don't expect it back nor to each other.
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Merp · Joined: 04 Jan 2010 Posts: 302 Location: USA - NY

MagicalMadoka · Joined: 14 Jan 2011 Posts: 8 Location: Antarctica

The thing that bothers me is when new developers ask for help on how to make products, but they request pros only. There are plenty of people who are not pro who are very good developers, and if you're asking for help, why wouldn't you just take any tips and tutorials people give you instead of picking and choosing who to take advice from?

I don't know, I suppose this is more off-topic compared to the rest of the discussion . . . I don't really have a problem with developers who are pro, just the new devs who think that "pro instantly = god" and "anyone who isn't pro sucks" or something. It's a bad image, and I don't know if a few of the pro devs created it, the general community, a mix of that, or what.

But it isn't helping anything.

Abbreviate · Joined: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 4661 Location: United Kingdom

Ao · Joined: 23 Apr 2008 Posts: 4550 Location: United Kingdom

Abbreviate · Joined: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 4661 Location: United Kingdom

He was instantly popular because at first he started selling files before he submitted them. He became popular in the IMVU File Sales Forum. So people got to recognise his name. So when he submitted things, they sold a lot.
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Ao · Joined: 23 Apr 2008 Posts: 4550 Location: United Kingdom

Exactly my point lol he sold files first so there was no products to not buy because he wasn't pro.

That's why I didn't get why you used him as an example but anyhow....
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Abbreviate · Joined: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 4661 Location: United Kingdom

No no no I used him as the example of a really good dev who wasn't Pro. I was getting at the fact that some people do only buy Pro and I don't know if those people would have avoided Yoru even when he wasn't Pro. His products were amazing, but I imagine some people deemed him 'not worthy' because he wasn't Pro. That's what I'm trying to get at D:
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DesiDevante · Joined: 17 Jan 2010 Posts: 48 Location: Canada

I have always wanted the pro status ,but I also want to be able to enjoy deving and I think if i Had to worry each month on whether or not I would keep it would take the enjoyment out of the having the status.