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Jamo 
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| Nekosunset wrote: | How is removing free music tracks gonna help cutting costs? 
Whats next IMVU?
You gonna remove all the music at some point?
Cutting costs?
More like cutting the amount of users who liked this site before it suddenly went rolling downhill. |
i think they would have looked at how much these songs were played
and then carefully factored it so that they don't end up loseing money from users which is greater than that lost from paying royaltys
i hope anyway.
still lost faith that this site has financial stability.
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Varsha 
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:40 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | And as for people that purchase a song that is purchasable for their territory, then suddenly isn't, they should be getting refunds. That's simply ridiculous. |
This is untrue. If a purchased song is no longer available in that user's territory after the purchase (a rare occurrence), a full refund is issued to that user.
Thank you.
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LizzieBorden
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:41 am Post subject: |
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| Varsha wrote: | Explanation of cost saving achieved by removal of free tracks:
Delivery of these tracks is not free to IMVU even though they are available for free for a promotion in our music store.
IMVU incurs a cost whenever a any track in a music mix is played by a user.
Thank you. |
*bolded by me, LMAO, there's your answer people, it's Costing IMVU $$$ - OMGGGGGGGGG...  =^.^=
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Notorious
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 9:00 am Post subject: |
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| LizzieBorden wrote: | | Varsha wrote: | Explanation of cost saving achieved by removal of free tracks:
Delivery of these tracks is not free to IMVU even though they are available for free for a promotion in our music store.
IMVU incurs a cost whenever a any track in a music mix is played by a user.
Thank you. |
*bolded by me, LMAO, there's your answer people, it's Costing IMVU $$$ - OMGGGGGGGGG... =^.^= |
I can't imagine that cost was very high since the free music was pretty mediocre.
So let's say we all buy the same 3 tracks on the same day and ALL play it over and over ALL day. Would one day cost IMVU so much it wouldn't counteract the credits we sank there for them?
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LizzieBorden
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 9:06 am Post subject: |
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| Notorious wrote: | | LizzieBorden wrote: | | Varsha wrote: | Explanation of cost saving achieved by removal of free tracks:
Delivery of these tracks is not free to IMVU even though they are available for free for a promotion in our music store.
IMVU incurs a cost whenever a any track in a music mix is played by a user.
Thank you. |
*bolded by me, LMAO, there's your answer people, it's Costing IMVU $$$ - OMGGGGGGGGG... =^.^= |
I can't imagine that cost was very high since the free music was pretty mediocre.
So let's say we all buy the same 3 tracks on the same day and ALL play it over and over ALL day. Would one day cost IMVU so much it wouldn't counteract the credits we sank there for them? |
Ya Think, Nahhhhhhhh?!   $$$ =^.^=
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marylouse
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 9:08 am Post subject: |
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| Jamo wrote: | | confusticated wrote: | | marylouse wrote: | after a night of thinking i have come to it that it make's no difference and it would take something alse bigger that affects all users to kill this site at lest second life is getting more membership out of this  |
So is NuVera Online. |
Planning to move my money over incase this place goes belly up
i wasn't spooked by the VIP dev thing, but this in addition is making me want to jump over board before the ship drags me down with it.
not leaving yet, but getting very worried. |
and that's why i hardly go on this site and hardly spend money here oh well
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AmbrosiaRavynWulf
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 10:30 am Post subject: |
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| ElesabethBathory wrote: | I'll miss one or two of the free tracks, but the rest (to my music tastes) were rubbish. I'm sure someone else enjoyed them though.
What I'm not happy with it the useless promo creds and the serious lack of notice from IMVU.
While I would like a list of the songs deleted I know it'll never happen. I remember at least one I liked, so at least there's something there for me. Hopefully its available for purchase.
I do think that thought into the financial impact of offering free tracks should have been explored and planned for BEFORE offering them. I have a Nook from Barnes & Noble and every Friday they offer a Free Selection on their blog. Every Friday I am there checking it out. Some of them I liked, some of them I didn't. But the ones I downloaded are still there. I'm sure Barnes & Noble has to pay fees for offering ebooks, and I'm sure they're eating the costs of the freebies they provide. What makes it easier for them to do it is the fact they do not go out and intentionally put the screws to their customers/client base.
As for the constant changes, we're all still here for a reason. I say we just go about our reasons and try to enjoy whatever time we have left on here. Make any backup plans you feel are best (selling your creds, setting yourself up on another site, etc.) but don't expect the higher-ups in IMVU Inc. to listen to us. |
I agree with what you just said! I am here for a reason, several in fact, I met some AWESOME people on here, our friendship and connection goes BEYOND IMVU. And I would like to say, Thank You for reminding me of that  Nothing has changed really for me, other than I could lose a possible creative outlet, but that's okay, I have others. And music, well, the IMVU music player has annoyed me to the point that I have been listening to my own music playlists through iTunes or to a web radio with my musical tastes.
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VardaSilver
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 11:26 am Post subject: |
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| BelisamaAmbrosia wrote: | | ElesabethBathory wrote: | I'll miss one or two of the free tracks, but the rest (to my music tastes) were rubbish. I'm sure someone else enjoyed them though.
What I'm not happy with it the useless promo creds and the serious lack of notice from IMVU.
While I would like a list of the songs deleted I know it'll never happen. I remember at least one I liked, so at least there's something there for me. Hopefully its available for purchase.
I do think that thought into the financial impact of offering free tracks should have been explored and planned for BEFORE offering them. I have a Nook from Barnes & Noble and every Friday they offer a Free Selection on their blog. Every Friday I am there checking it out. Some of them I liked, some of them I didn't. But the ones I downloaded are still there. I'm sure Barnes & Noble has to pay fees for offering ebooks, and I'm sure they're eating the costs of the freebies they provide. What makes it easier for them to do it is the fact they do not go out and intentionally put the screws to their customers/client base.
As for the constant changes, we're all still here for a reason. I say we just go about our reasons and try to enjoy whatever time we have left on here. Make any backup plans you feel are best (selling your creds, setting yourself up on another site, etc.) but don't expect the higher-ups in IMVU Inc. to listen to us. |
I agree with what you just said! I am here for a reason, several in fact, I met some AWESOME people on here, our friendship and connection goes BEYOND IMVU. And I would like to say, Thank You for reminding me of that Nothing has changed really for me, other than I could lose a possible creative outlet, but that's okay, I have others. And music, well, the IMVU music player has annoyed me to the point that I have been listening to my own music playlists through iTunes or to a web radio with my musical tastes. |
I was once a signed musican in rl I know people in the industry imvu is telling the truth it does cost to play music but regardless
Imvu you are wrong for taking it back..
I wish there was a way we could return our inventories and get our money back... But we can't as far as I know
Other than that the playlist I did have fun with
. By ive been going to playlist.com for that when I want to. Imvu advertises here too.. Btw lololol ok
As far as people leaving I've seen..all over
Sl
Spoton3d
And nuvera in Droves...
Listen up imvu your still not listening
SMh...
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AmbrosiaRavynWulf
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 11:59 am Post subject: |
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| VardaSilver wrote: | | BelisamaAmbrosia wrote: | | ElesabethBathory wrote: | I'll miss one or two of the free tracks, but the rest (to my music tastes) were rubbish. I'm sure someone else enjoyed them though.
What I'm not happy with it the useless promo creds and the serious lack of notice from IMVU.
While I would like a list of the songs deleted I know it'll never happen. I remember at least one I liked, so at least there's something there for me. Hopefully its available for purchase.
I do think that thought into the financial impact of offering free tracks should have been explored and planned for BEFORE offering them. I have a Nook from Barnes & Noble and every Friday they offer a Free Selection on their blog. Every Friday I am there checking it out. Some of them I liked, some of them I didn't. But the ones I downloaded are still there. I'm sure Barnes & Noble has to pay fees for offering ebooks, and I'm sure they're eating the costs of the freebies they provide. What makes it easier for them to do it is the fact they do not go out and intentionally put the screws to their customers/client base.
As for the constant changes, we're all still here for a reason. I say we just go about our reasons and try to enjoy whatever time we have left on here. Make any backup plans you feel are best (selling your creds, setting yourself up on another site, etc.) but don't expect the higher-ups in IMVU Inc. to listen to us. |
I agree with what you just said! I am here for a reason, several in fact, I met some AWESOME people on here, our friendship and connection goes BEYOND IMVU. And I would like to say, Thank You for reminding me of that Nothing has changed really for me, other than I could lose a possible creative outlet, but that's okay, I have others. And music, well, the IMVU music player has annoyed me to the point that I have been listening to my own music playlists through iTunes or to a web radio with my musical tastes. |
I was once a signed musican in rl I know people in the industry imvu is telling the truth it does cost to play music but regardless
Imvu you are wrong for taking it back..
I wish there was a way we could return our inventories and get our money back... But we can't as far as I know
Other than that the playlist I did have fun with
. By ive been going to playlist.com for that when I want to. Imvu advertises here too.. Btw lololol ok
As far as people leaving I've seen..all over
Sl
Spoton3d
And nuvera in Droves...
Listen up imvu your still not listening
SMh... |
I do not deny that IMVU is in the wrong. I also feel that if the Music Store is costing them more money and not making money, then it would be cheaper for them to return the creds to us that we bought from the store, and close it up, instead of punishing their customers (loyal old timers "grandfathers/mothers", or new).
But, I also needed a reality check, and ElesabethBathory, gave me one; I am very thankful for the people I have met here. We are preparing ourselves and searching for other potential chat sites to suit our needs.
IMVU won't listen, sadly I have come to that realization. They see themselves as no longer needing customers they can sustain themselves, for how long will be an interesting show to watch. Popcorn anyone? Should be an interesting show!
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AiglePantere
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Varsha wrote: | | Karenferndale wrote: | OH yes, I just remembered something.
That refund you have given some of us in promo credits. Well, you should have made them real credits. Since, the music store won't accept PROMO CREDITS, it is like a kick in the teeth to give us those worth less credits because of the music store. |
The gift of promotional credits is not a refund. There is no refund to be issued as the removed tracks were available for free.
Thank you. |
So if it,s free, why did you take it back, this a non-sense, except for an exception that=
All the problems that we have here on IMVU begin at the same time that
THERE.COM is RE-OPENING their doors for their members, coincidence ?
Nah
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Marielmint
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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| can someone explain how imvu's logic works this removal of items given free over a year ago to save money in the present has me baffled |
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| tina6630 wrote: | SNIP
WELL FREE OR NOT
that was my property
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Be very carfull with imvu credits dont exist everything uploaded to IMVU computers is theirs and they make / invent and brake all the rules any time they want ! All the toys in the sand pit are thiers to keep so be carfull
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MoonChikaneHimemiya
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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Well don't like the change but I certainly liked many of the music that I had from it. Will we get a list of the tracks so we can at least track them down??
Thinking of the possibility of purchasing them of course since some where amazing and obviously of my favorite but don't remember the names and since they are simply vanished  |
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TheDesignStudiosInc
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 4:55 pm Post subject: Seldom have time to even get the free track offered |
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Seldom have time to even get the free track offered nor can I even remember what free tracks IMVU even gave out.
Most all my friends use Stream Radio or other music and I hate having to bring in second avatar to listen to the music I bought, so I just use the radio.
Now and then I do need to have setup tracks of music and I limit my investment due to fear of problems or something crazy just like now.
When IMVU took every ones music and developers lost their investment and no refund.
I blasted upper management as I have read an article about the music problem and IMVU knew about it for long time but took their cut of the income and ever one lost theirs.
After that the Management and Staff never treated me they same. Dishonest or poor business practices is uncalled for and I addressed.
IMVU MANAGEMENT SEEMS TO THINK THEY ARE THE GODs OF THIS VIRTUAL WORLD AND SAD TO SAY IT LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE!
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AiglePantere
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| RinaFanel13 wrote: | | Tomm wrote: | | So, um, staff at IMVU? You gonna say anything? Maybe let us in on why you're being dicks for the past, I don't know, 3 years? Maybe the mods can forward the link to this angry thread, not that they'll read it. |
They are not being dicks. IMVU signed a contract to be a "radio" The music store has always been 3rd party material. |
ok, so when you have the time, listen to that video, 30 minutes...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGv_CBUgmqE
maybe that you will understand what all customers are talking about
and that is my position as an Artist and Musician get rob all the time.
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