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Desirable 
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 Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 12:25 pm Post subject: DMCA Problems? |
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Is anyone else noticing products that used to be on the first page gone in the men section the most. Like I clicked on men jeans one day and seen a pair of pants that looked like no other red and account said DMCA. A lot of products that hit the first page get dmca'd for the wrong reasons. No longer because of stolen textures and etc but just out of pure jealousy its being sold better then someones elses. We create for fun and just to have something to be proud of. But what I dont understand is why products with brand new textures made by one individual is dmca'd and tooken down messing with that persons credit income and etc over it being the hot product of the week and theirs no other texture like that one in shop. It makes you wonder whats the point in continuing to create if someone is going to just come and take your hard work from you.
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LordRiccardo
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IMVU has to act on any DMCA that is filed with them they do not have to power to act as a judge in the matter as to whether the DMCA is rightful or wrongful. So long as the DMCA is correctly filed and filled out IMVU has to take the product down it is upto the makers of any item DMCA'd to counter the DMCA. Users should seek legal council on such matters if they are being targeted as IMVU is other wise powerless as it has to abide by the DMCA legal process requirements.
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Desirable
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| LordRiccardo wrote: | | IMVU has to act on any DMCA that is filed with them they do not have to power to act as a judge in the matter as to whether the DMCA is rightful or wrongful. So long as the DMCA is correctly filed and filled out IMVU has to take the product down it is upto the makers of any item DMCA'd to counter the DMCA. Users should seek legal council on such matters if they are being targeted as IMVU is other wise powerless as it has to abide by the DMCA legal process requirements. |
so really people can file as much as they want to. How long does DMCA averagely work for wrongful claims on products?
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This is another reason why if developer accounts were actually verified it would stop wrongful DMCA submission,infact it would stop 99% of the accounts setup for stealing also..
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Flisey
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Why doesn't imvu verify our deving accounts? I would have thought they did..
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Desirable
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| VisNova wrote: | | This is another reason why if developer accounts were actually verified it would stop wrongful DMCA submission,infact it would stop 99% of the accounts setup for stealing also.. |
that actually sounds like a good idea. I mean it will actually keep a lot of great developers happy.
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They just need to make registration required for anyone sending credits to a reseller, and STOP Paypal being used as a payment method., Addressed Checks, Bank wires and Bank deposits only.
That way most developers/ new developers etc are not effected and its just those wanting to get cash out of the system that are required to be verified.
And it leaves a nice little paper trail for anyone having "issues"
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No, it will not keep alot of Craetor's happy. It will make only a small amount of Creator's happy i.e. those who already sell their credits and have to register with paypal and provide resellers with an active paypal email.
The majority of the Creators do not sell their credits nor are many in a position to do so. Having said that there are also many Creators who would prefer to remain unknown as far as IMVU is concerned and still create and earn credits to re-invest in the site. If forced to register these Creators will be forced to move on or even give up creating. For this reason not all Creators should be forced to give IMVU their RL details if they do not wish to do so. 
4u: I'm not sure that's a good idea. Remember the Merchant Pass viasco and how many Creators were terrified at the thought of giving IMVU RL info?
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Desirable
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| lustrous wrote: | No, it will not keep alot of Craetor's happy. It will make only a small amount of Creator's happy i.e. those who already sell their credits and have to register with paypal and provide resellers with an active paypal email.
The majority of the Creators do not sell their credits nor are many in a position to do so. Having said that there are also many Creators who would prefer to remain unknown as far as IMVU is concerned and still create and earn credits to re-invest in the site. If forced to register these Creators will be forced to move on or even give up creating. For this reason not all Creators should be forced to give IMVU their RL details if they do not wish to do so.
4u: I'm not sure that's a good idea. Remember the Merchant Pass viasco and how many Creators were terrified at the thought of giving IMVU RL info? |
it actually will being that it will stop people from lying just because they felt jealous. Theres many ways you can verify that your a creator other then doing it by credits.
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What do you mean by lying?
Try to remember that there are also Good Honest Creators who do not sell credits here and it would not be unwise to force them to give up creating by fmaking them register when they DO NOT sell credits to begin with. Not to mention why would IMVU want to set up such an extensive database to keep all and sundries info anyway?
This is still a game for many, something that should never be forgotten.
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| lustrous wrote: | | 4u: I'm not sure that's a good idea. Remember the Merchant Pass viasco and how many Creators were terrified at the thought of giving IMVU RL info? |
Nope its a great idea and solves what most are worried about, developing system stays totally the same, no one is effected.. unless they want to turn credits in to cash, vast majority of developers would have to do nothing.
you stop the flow of money.. real money.. you stop the fraud.
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Desirable
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| lustrous wrote: | What do you mean by lying?
Try to remember that there are also Good Honest Creators who do not sell credits here and it would not be unwise to force them to give up creating by fmaking them register when they DO NOT sell credits to begin with. Not to mention why would IMVU want to set up such an extensive database to keep all and sundries info anyway?
This is still a game for many, something that should never be forgotten. |
wait your taking one persons suggestion and mixing it with someones else. I never agreed to using credit transfers and reselling to help with dmca. I only agreed to one verifying there developer status. As far as im concerned credit reselling and such shouldnt play a role in this at all. When I said lying i meant as far as someone dmca a product because they just didnt like the person or etc.
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If someone sends an unjustified DMCA the laws are actually more harsh than a legit one. You open yourself up to some serious legal issues, where the person sending the fake DMCA is responsible for picking up the costs of everyone involved.
The LAW can do something about that.. but IMVU can't. DMCA states clearly what they have to do.
Catalogue bumpers and jealous developers will always be around, but if they are doing it for the money, then there needs to be a much better paper trail
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Desirable
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| 4u wrote: | Desirable
If someone sends an unjustified DMCA the laws are actually more harsh than a legit one. You open yourself up to some serious legal issues, where the person sending the fake DMCA is responsible for picking up the costs of everyone involved.
The LAW can do something about that.. but IMVU can't. DMCA states clearly what they have to do.
Catalogue bumpers and jealous developers will always be around, but if they are doing it for the money, then there needs to be a much better paper trail |
that is true it should be a better paper trail...i just believe there need to be more actions when it comes to things like this
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LordRiccardo
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| Desirable wrote: |
that is true it should be a better paper trail...i just believe there need to be more actions when it comes to things like this |
There are more actions hence why you have to take legal council advice on the matter.
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