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InamorataSylaraia
Joined: 21 Nov 2008 Posts: 2040 Location: USA - WY
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| mercuria wrote: | I have checked with staff and there has been no changes in policy, or the implementation of policy.
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The official policy or the unspoken policy? Because we all know corporations reach that level of corruption sooner or later. |
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AnakaTarren
Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 4470 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 12:55 am Post subject: |
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One small part of the problem in the first post was resolved, but all of these violations remain searchable.
However, both of these users still have over 1000 items between the two of them using only two AP terms in keywords and product descriptions that others are routinely re-rated for. Worse, they continue to submit new AP text violations using these terms almost every day, and CS refuses to stop or penalize them for obvious misrating practices. If there's been no change in CS enforcement practices as claimed, implying this is normal handling of Pro misratings on even newly submitted items, that's a serious issue.
Regardless of how the catalog search works, misrated AP keywords DO unfairly improve the catalog rank of any item in GA. (That's obviously why these misraters and others insistently add those terms.) It is inappropriate for CS to ignore misrating behaviors of top Pros who extensively violate the VGP, especially if those terms confirm the misrated AP intent of their items. In addition, allowing top Pro misraters to CONTINUE in that VPG violation every day is unfair to all ethical devs who follow the rules.
| 4u wrote: | To this line " As far as I can determine, the only reason for not having these devs fix their keywords is one of the following: "
you forgot to add:
> INSUFFICIENT USERS HAVE FLAGGED THE PRODUCT
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CS is ignoring flags on these keywords for these 2 Pros, even on NEW violations coming out of Peer Review. By design, coming out of PR, there are few sales and few flags. That is the time that these violations are supposed to be flagged. If CS won't enforce flags against top Pros for obvious AP keywords even out of PR, and won't even require these Pros to stop using the terms on new items, that is nothing more than unfair enforcement and outright favoritism. And to allow entire catalogs full of misrated terms, just because CS failed to enforce flags in the past on top Pros, only makes a bad situation worse.
Bringing up the problem doesn't make the situation worse, but gross lapses in rule enforcement do. The solution is simple and obvious. If a top Pro or major misrater has extensive violations, SHUT DOWN THEIR CATALOGS until they fix the problems themselves. That doesn't take a lot of anyone's time except the misrater's. It's simple and effective, and puts the responsibility for fixing misrating issues where it belongs. _________________
 
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Emmanuelle 
Joined: 02 Nov 2008 Posts: 4486 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 1:02 am Post subject: |
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| AnakaTarren wrote: | (...)
Bringing up the problem doesn't make the situation worse, but gross lapses in rule enforcement does. The solution is simple and obvious. If a top Pro or major misrater has extensive violations, SHUT DOWN THEIR CATALOGS until they fix the problems themselves. That doesn't take a lot of anyone's time except the misrater's. It's simple and effective, and puts the responsibility for fixing misrating issues where it belongs.
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I have to agree here, misrating has to be dealt with from the very beginning (i.e. when the product is submitted to PR) and not after X AP or AP-themed items have been sold to GA users.
Else the violator should be forced to deal with their own uber-feeling of being untouchable or immune to sanctions.
It is not that difficult to understand that *everything* in a product (from the picture/icon down to the tags) has to comply 100% with the VGRP.
If Pro developers fail at this, it cannot be otherwise than on purpose! Or they don't deserve the Pro tag as it stands for "Professional" (meaning non-amateur and "amateur" being taken in its pejorative meaning here - like in "amateurish").
And please don't tell us that using AP words for GA products is part of some clever marketing plan, this would even lower my opinion about some Pro Content Creators.
IMVU is also built upon the belief that people will act in good faith - where have general ethics gone? Were they replaced by profit-only ethics? _________________
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AnakaTarren
Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 4470 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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The smaller problem in my first post's footnote was resolved. That bit of progress is also appreciated. However:
Over 1000 GA item violations involving 2 AP terms used by 2 PROs still remain despite months of flags and help tickets. One uses an AP term (not in the GA filter) that is searchable by ALL GA users in 700 GA items. The other with over 300 items uses the SAME AP term that was just cleaned up with the footnoted dev. I hope a moderator can help get the major issue resolved. Ticket numbers are in the first post.
By ignoring flags and help tickets on extensive AP terms used in GA by protected Pro violators, while only enforcing those same rules on smaller creators, CS does the following:
- Channels misrated sales to protected top Pros, even allowing them to dominate certain AP markets in GA items. (These 2 devs have nearly 40% of one unfiltered AP term in GA, and nearly 10% of a more extensively misused AP term in GA.)
- Allows protected Pro misraters to advertise AP themes directly to GA users where not handled by the GA filter.
- Implies to other small creators that those types of violations are acceptable since CS won't re-rate them or force fixes, encouraging additional misrated submissions by others.
- Implies that IMVU doesn't care about obvious searchable violations in GA as long as a Pro is highly profitable; or that if someone has the "right" friends inside IMVU, they can breaking any rule extensively without penalty.
- Leaves large numbers of reported, searchable, GA catalog violations that could be EASILY resolved.
Are the above the catalog impacts and corporate reputation IMVU intends? I hope not.
If CS doesn't want to re-rate these items (as they often do on smaller devs), there is a simple and CHEAP solution: CLOSE the catalogs of reported creators who have provable extensive violations until they fix their AP terms in GA items, even if and especially if they are top Pros.
Put the cleanup workload and cost where it belongs -- on the misrater. And enforce the rules fairly on all creators, not just those with smaller catalogs. _________________
 
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YourNeighbour 
Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 1231 Location: Australia
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AnakaTarren
Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 4470 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 1:22 am Post subject: |
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YN,
IMVU makes the rules. Expecting and requesting fair/consistent enforcement is a reasonable user activity.
Also, I wasn't discussing punishments. I have no idea what any punishments were (though I assume there were NONE). However, since issues can be discussed in the forums, it also seems appropriate to give CS credit for partial resolution of those issues. Even so, I minimized that aspect in my posts above (since it was such a small part) until I can re-confirm my understanding of forum rules. _________________
 
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Killkun
Joined: 16 Jun 2008 Posts: 241 Location: Japan
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 2:52 am Post subject: |
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| electro57 wrote: | Ok girls I know whats going on !!!
looking the html catalog type in bdsm the in left box click GA
it all disapears ???
10331 in ap
0 in general audiance only
10331 in all items
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now looking in client
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801 pages in all products
801 pages ap
0 pages ga
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signed in on a guest acount there is no choice for ap just all products
717217 products including a IMVU room
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catalog is screwed
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This is due to 'ap' keyword is exclude to search ap type product for ap user. Try put 'head' and imvu will change catalog search type to head, not the head keyword.
I totally agree some keyword should not permit. And if it's permit it should be same for every one or every type of case.
Is imvu remove product by hand? If that so I think the staff is human anyway, can't help he/she peek on that creator before the last decision to remove it or not. But the rule should be applied to everything everywhere equally. |
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AnakaTarren
Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 4470 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 3:54 am Post subject: |
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XEmperorChaosX 
Joined: 26 May 2009 Posts: 1163 Location: USA - FL
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 4:11 am Post subject: |
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Some people here have way to much free time on their hands.
They're so bored with their lives they have nothing better to do then act as some kind of authority here.
I seriously hope IMVU cracks down on flagaholicks. _________________ Ron Paul Tribute |
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Cappy
Joined: 25 Mar 2007 Posts: 7596 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 9:50 am Post subject: |
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There is nothing wrong with flagging if you are flagging violations.
I seriously hope IMVU cracks down on rule breakers. _________________
| AnakaTarren wrote: | | Safety message: Never take candy or gifts from strangers, especially if they are red-nosed, lemurs with Vixen written on their collars! |
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Emmanuelle 
Joined: 02 Nov 2008 Posts: 4486 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Cappy wrote: | There is nothing wrong with flagging if you are flagging violations.
I seriously hope IMVU cracks down on rule breakers. |
Indeed... Violations, especially repeated ones, make IMVU a much less pleasant place for everyone. _________________
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