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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is that how it came across? That's not how I meant it, I meant it more like...you wouldn't be able to befriend a dog very easily, without giving it food or a treat...right?


They have human intellects, just a predatory desire for blood. Imagine if someone thought they had to pour chocolate all over themselves just to have a chat with you. I know if someone offered me a "threat" to strike up a conversation I'd be pretty insulted. But it's not even offering a treat, it's equatable to... as someone else said, wearing Lady Gaga's meat dress in front of a hungry lion in the hope that it would make them your friend.

-I think I am being gravely misunderstood here. I don't think anyone should go up to a vmapire bleeding, or with an offering, but as vampire conjures up images of only interested in blood, it can be difficult to think of other things. And as I was saying, all vampires are different, I wasn't defending the action and saying it was a good idea, I just said they were probably just trying it out, as it may have worked with other vampires in the past, thats all. >.< Sorry for the misunderstanding, here.


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In the case of dracula, he doesn't seem to be the type to just talk to strangers who introduce themselves, without thinking of food either, and just randomly talking to people doesn't seem like something characters would normally do...


People do it all the time. If human beings didn't randomly talk to strangers at some point in their lives we'd never make friends.

-really? I suppose it's a lot more difficult for me to see, as I don't do it, I guess. maybe I'm too shy. most of my friends are from school, the internet, or clubs with a common interest...whereas on the street, I couldn't just talk to a random stranger about nothing..I'd have to find something to talk about. And I really would have trouble thinking of something to say that goes for a long ro. "I love your cape" is just a compliment, that can last...a minuite, maybe? In clubs I know I can say "so you like anime too? what are your favourites? ^_^" but like I said, I don't do it, so I really don't know much about this stuff.-

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You can't offer drac food, because, (From what I hear from the count here, please excuse me if i'm mistaken! >.<)
He hates people being used as just given to him..and he likes the hunt and the chase in some cases.



Someone had a character bring a random victim to his door as a food offering, it more or less looked like they wanted him to execute the would-be-victim for them. He's not going to do that. He doesn't do someone else's bidding. He's a predator, yes, he's not someone else's executioner. In fact because of his own warped sense of honor he might well want to kill the person who would offer another human as food. And seriously WHY would you want to offer HIM a human victim anyway?! What sane human being offers another person in the hope of chatting with a vampire? By the time the vampire realizes what the person is doing his usual response will probably be "What does this psychopath want? And "If they're willing to do that to their own kind why should I trust them?"

-right. ^-^-


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Werewolves and lycans and...ah...I forgot the name of that beast shifter thing, but anyway, those, are very common in vampire rooms too. Dracula could sense it, but then, that isn't you introducing yourself...



*Twitch, twitch, twitch, twitch.* AGGHHHHHHH!!!! Lycan IS werewolf. It's short for Lycanthrope. Lycanthrope means werewolf. It's Greek for werewolf.

-Please relax..I get the terms confused sometimes. Actually, I was trying to use all the terms so I wouldn't annoy you by putting them all into one category...my mistake. though I was still trying to remember that french word one...for the differnt kinds...ones that cna willingly, and ones that it happens to sporadically...>.<

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So any ways of meeting him in a nice way, while avoiding the food thing can be hard to think of...for me at least...


You could try... I don't know, talking to him, like a person. He's trying to pass for human after all.

-Ah, as stated above, I have a little trouble thinking of ways to talk to someone as a person, too..-

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So far I have Presea selling stuff...an angel bursting into his house, trying to beat him up for "Justice" then getting to know him, and i've been thinking of the idea as a fortune teller, which can call him over saying he has an interesting fate.


He already has gypsy friends. In fact they were his only allies in the original novel. He likes gypsies.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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-I think I am being gravely misunderstood here. I don't think anyone should go up to a vmapire bleeding, or with an offering, but as vampire conjures up images of only interested in blood, it can be difficult to think of other things. And as I was saying, all vampires are different, I wasn't defending the action and saying it was a good idea, I just said they were probably just trying it out, as it may have worked with other vampires in the past, thats all. >.< Sorry for the misunderstanding, here.


No creature, usually, lives to eat. They eat to live. There is more to every being than just their dietary habits.

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-really? I suppose it's a lot more difficult for me to see, as I don't do it, I guess. maybe I'm too shy. most of my friends are from school, the internet, or clubs with a common interest...whereas on the street, I couldn't just talk to a random stranger about nothing..I'd have to find something to talk about. And I really would have trouble thinking of something to say that goes for a long ro. "I love your cape" is just a compliment, that can last...a minuite, maybe? In clubs I know I can say "so you like anime too? what are your favourites? ^_^" but like I said, I don't do it, so I really don't know much about this stuff.-


Ah, but at some point all these people were strangers. You didn't enter the school knowing those fellow students already, you didn't walk into those clubs knowing those people already and even friends you make online started from simply saying hi and striking up conversation. The principle is the same, no matter the location.

As for Lycans / werewolves, modern RPers tend to prefer the word Lycan. I'm not really sure why. It got popularized from the movie Underworld but it just means werewolf. It doesn't mean one that chages by will or is humanoid. it is just short for Lycanthrope with only means werewolf.

Look where the wikipedia page redirects.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lycanthrope

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-Ah, as stated above, I have a little trouble thinking of ways to talk to someone as a person, too..-



You already do it. Over the Internet or in clubs you seek out people with similar interests and start conversations. You're having one right now in this very thread.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"More than dietary habits"

-Of course! Ah, what I mean is...dietary habbits can make it difficult...
If I was a fish, I wouldn't walk up to a fish-only eater and start talking to them, because I'd think they'd just try and eat me, so i'd have to think of a good reason for the fish eater to keep talking to me/not eat me...if that makes sense. I'm not saying vampires eat anyone and everyone of course, but uh, you never know if it would want to eat you, specificalky...
Uhm, I'm sorry, i'm not good at explaining my points, and I don't know too much about this stuff, so please forgive me if i'm misinformed, about any stuff.


Thank you for the lycan link.

I don't go to dancing clubs, but I mean like, anime clubs..
It's easy on the internet and in those clubs because you can say "You like anime? me too!" or..
"Oh, I love roleplaying as well, lets play sometime!"
But if it's just someone, normal, walking around the street with little to no hints of anything related to anything you like...what do you say..?
"Hi my name is neko.."? I dount they'd care about that very much...>.<
Ah...social..uhm...what's the word..
Social...protocol? Is something I am literally the worst in, so i'm sorry if my views, thoughts, or confusions on the matter seem strange. >.< (You probably know that by now, I can barely speak on the internet as it is! >.<)
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EtherialNeko wrote:
"More than dietary habits"

-Of course! Ah, what I mean is...dietary habbits can make it difficult...
If I was a fish, I wouldn't walk up to a fish-only eater and start talking to them, because I'd think they'd just try and eat me, so i'd have to think of a good reason for the fish eater to keep talking to me/not eat me...if that makes sense. I'm not saying vampires eat anyone and everyone of course, but uh, you never know if it would want to eat you, specificalky...
Uhm, I'm sorry, i'm not good at explaining my points, and I don't know too much about this stuff, so please forgive me if i'm misinformed, about any stuff.


That is part of the thing though, as a player, you know they are a vampire. Your character however, doesn't (unless they are obvious about it).

So anything you could want to talk about, including their cape, could lead into more. It is just that one line needed to show the player, that you are interested in RPing with them.

Let's take your Cape for example: You compliment the cape. They thank you. It -could- end there. You could also ask about the material. Where they got it? If they described any embellishments/embroidery on it, the significance of them. If it is suitable of all kinds of weather. That could lead you into a discussion on...fabrics, shopping, fashion or even everyday activities you perform that you might need a certain type of cape for... To make it personal, Presea could be looking for a present for her father. If she sees something she thinks he would like, she would naturally want to ask about it to get a better idea on the use and cost of it.

It is about opening the door to more interaction.

Conversations aren't usually static, they evolve from one subject to another. You just need to find a starting point and go from there.

PS. I think the french word you were looking for is Loup Garou. Those are the ones to be said to be able to change by will.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Loup garou!!! That's it, thank you!!
I was scratching my head for ages trying to think of it! xD

Hehe, okay, well what I mean is, I suppose I think too much, but I want to get into deep, involved stories, where I really get to know the other characters, and maybe become close to them in any sort of way..
I mean, the cape thing...
I wouldn't use Presea as an example, as she very rarely talks about herself, her life, or her daddy unless she gets her emotions back. ...she's not much of a talker.

Like uhm...how do I say it..
If I wanted to really get to know Dracula as a person... The cape thing could go well, he'd tell me where he got all the cape items, for example...
But I don't expect him to say much more, I mean, he is trying to keep the fact that he is a vampire very covered, and during the rp, i'd obviously want to break past that...
How would I even get from "Oh yes I got my cape at Victoria rares cloth stores, and had it made up at the habadashery" to..."I have a secret, i'm a vampire".
I'm sorry if the answer to stuff like this seems blaringly obvious,! >.<

I mean, I wouldn't go on about my characters life story, that'd bore him, right?
Uh...if that makes sense...
Maybe i'm being rude by wanting interactions that close with other characters...

I really don't know, so if it is rude, please let me know!
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Loup garou!!! That's it, thank you!!
I was scratching my head for ages trying to think of it! xD


Yes, Loup Garou directly translates to werewolf but in French folklore they usually could take wolf form at will.

Also why would your character need to know he's a vampire immediately? Why not let it emerge naturally in-game or see how much fun it can be to leave your character oblivious for a while?
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It isn't rude at all to want to establish a good connection. I think that is why I tend to avoid room play, I just don't have the time to spend and I feel a little disconnected from the ongoing storyline.

Such an admission through roleplay can take months to develop (or even years) though. Just like any relationship (friendship included), it takes time to build up trust between people.

That shouldn't stop you from interacting though, or building up that relationship and enjoying it. It all starts with one step. Then that turns into a new conversation. Then that turns into being acquaintances. Then the roleplay becomes more involved and you might end up getting that admission when you least expect it.

As for not hearing about your life...from the tidbits I have been picking up from Count, Dracula is fascinated with humans and their behaviour, so he might want to listen to you!

Side note: I think Dracula should 'moonlight' as a taxi cab driver.

It is more on the player really. If they want to play with you, they will find an excuse/reason to do so. No matter how inane or small it may seem at the time, if it can be used, it will be.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As for not hearing about your life...from the tidbits I have been picking up from Count, Dracula is fascinated with humans and their behaviour, so he might want to listen to you!



Yes, he is. Even as far back as Stoker's original novel he was collecting magazines and novels and professed to wanting to be a part of the "whirl and rush of humanity." I think the idea that Dr. Abraham Van Helsing wanted to take him on both annoyed and intrigued him.

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Side note: I think Dracula should 'moonlight' as a taxi cab driver.


Hehe. A vampire taxi driver is actually the plot of a low budget Canadian film from the eighties. I think it was called Graveyard Shift.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh my, of course, I don't expect it right away!
But uh, I don't know how to GET to a continuing storyline or conversation,if that makes sense? >.<

Like, ok, ask about cape, oh I got it here. Thanks!
....Uh...then I wouldn't know what to say about it. I would like to think of a reason for them to get to know each other, you know? On the streets, there's no common interest or anything..so I couldn't think of a reason why any of the hypothetical two would keep talking to each other...
I don't mind leaving it in others hands...but I would like to be able to have a backup, in case I run out of things to say...I need like...a reason for them to get to know each other, you know?
Even buying stuff from Presea...
I imagine it just going..."Can I buy that?"
"Yes"
"Thank you"
and on their way...

Uhm...I guess what i'm trying to say is hard to describe...But if I leave it to other rpers, more often than not they see no reason to keep talking to my character and move on...
So i'm having trouble thinking of reasons, that arent, you know, "Woe is me" or "You're probably wondering why I have hair"...


And thank you for your advice and help, guys, I really appreciate it so much! ^-^
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that's what they are trying to say from what I have read. There might be things to talk about, it's just a matter of getting people to talk. One never knows what someone might be interested in talking about.

If your character is interested in the cape for example, go for the 5 W's if applicable. it might seem a bit repetitive, but they make for quick and easy ice breakers, and can easily branch out to even more interaction. The sky really becomes the limit.

Of course this is going to be a very simplified tree, but I hope it might help.

Who did you get the cape from?
What / Why was the reason for getting it?
Where did you get it?
When did you get it?


Just with that, it could branch out to you asking more about the cape, or about who the cape was received from; if it was bought. Or, you could even ask about the store if it was bought.

The 5 W's are your friend.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sounds good,...though I must confess, I still imagine in that ending in "Thank you for telling me"
"yup no problem"...
I mean, I see what you mean, and it's a good idea, but furthering the conversation from there would have to depend on the other person, right? >.<
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a give and take for sure.

This sort of thing can happen in real life too.

The advantage here is that people usually -want- to roleplay. If you are interested in doing that with them, they will respond favourably.

I think you might be over thinking it. Try to establish the scenario before it plays out. That is a problem I used to have as well. You tend to feel there is no use in trying if it just won't work out. (I call it the 'worst case scenario syndrome'. Took my shrink for me to actually notice I was doing it though and just knowing about it gave me the control to fix it. I can still 'feel' it, but I can take active steps to chide myself about it.)

So..just remind yourself to give it your best shot. Some days will be good, some days won't work out, but you did what -you- could do and that is that. There is always tomorrow to try with someone else, and their response is not under your control.

Worst that can happen, you have a bit of dialog that shuts down there.
Middle case, dialog with that person ends, but other people in the room jump into play.
Best case, you have a good RP partner that you meet with regularly to play with and establish a decent storyline.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you so much for the advice..you're right, i'm probably over thinking it...I worry about leaving the control to others in those situations without a backup, and I think of the worst case scenarios in real life, too. (I get afraid enough talking to people on the internet! Especially real life, too)
I think I worry about it more because rpers that are on at the same time as me are really rare..
One of the main people I rp with has recently dissapoofed too, so I have a lot of trouble with it...
I'll try and relax more...but Ido hope I get better in these rp social situations. Most of my ideas of what to talk about seem to end in "So...do you like...stuff?" >.<

Thank you so much for your advice...
(And sorry for kinda derailing your thread, Drac, it wasn't my intent, I just noticed! >.<)
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Last night Dracula fed on a random woman. Tonight she came into the room again while he was seducing another woman to feed upon. She acted as if she was catching him having an affair. I tried to break it to her OOC several times that she had just been a meal to him. When she finally did start to catch on she started to play her character as depressed and then asked OOC "I wonder who is his love interest then." So I said "Probably Mina." And then added "Definitely Mina." And she said "You don't seem sure." *Twitch.* Yes, to Mina, no to you. You. Are. Food.
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Last night Dracula fed on a random woman. Tonight she came into the room again while he was seducing another woman to feed upon. She acted as if she was catching him having an affair. I tried to break it to her OOC several times that she had just been a meal to him. When she finally did start to catch on she started to play her character as depressed and then asked OOC "I wonder who is his love interest then." So I said "Probably Mina." And then added "Definitely Mina." And she said "You don't seem sure." *Twitch.* Yes, to Mina, no to you. You. Are. Food.


Oh, no... not again. Why do people assume that if Dracula feeds on them that they mean anything to him? And she acted like he was having an affair? LOL If I had been there I would have said OOC, 'You were a snack, sweetie, you want to mean more to him? Get to know him IC for longer than two seconds. He bit you, that doesn't mean you're dating.'
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