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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm going to assume offsite ads would have some sort of relevance, for instance they could be in sites that cater to the online gaming community. I got into imvu originally by clicking an offsite ad. I've also played around with other doll-dressing sites that I linked to through offsite ads. I'm sure imvu would appeal to the kind of person that likes pixel dolls. Perhaps you could choose what package of offsites you want to show in, and pick your items to suit those venues. Just thinking out loud here...


Offsite advertising may bring in new members but its keeping them here that counts.


I did a test run buying some advertising on FB and ran it for 4 weeks..at the same time i had to eat noodles for 4 weeks because of the cost,lol...anyway my whole point in doing that was to try and bring people into IMVU and because they associate my developer name that introduced them to the whole IMVU experience,that in the future that would help with sales.Did it work?..i tried to gather stats but it was to complex to get accurate findings without actually gathering info directly from the customer.

FB uses a pay per click system which you can set the price per click..for me it was just way to expensive but i did get a lot of clicks,which was totally dependent on the way the icon was presented..i trialed a basic icon for 1 week then i changed it and made the avatar have less clothes,(not nude) just more seductive looking..and my clicks tripled,lol "go figure,lol.....anyway thats just some general info..........my point that i want to make is its not about offsite advertising because imuv already has banners in every nook and cranny on the net,its about keeping the new members that sign up to stay and shop in the catalogue.We keep the new members our sales will double,triple if they have a good shopping experience from day 1.


If its offsite advertising thats targeted at already excisting members then yeah thats definetly beneficial.....any exposure anywhere is good..the more the better.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that a major catalog reorganization is about 13 million products overdue, but honestly, I don't see how it would ever be accomplished at this point without grinding IMVU to a halt for half a year. I mean, other than building a completely separate database to do the reorganization in, and making all new publications double place their products (once for the old, once for the new). And who sees IMVU spending that kind of money?

No, I see a catalog reorganization as being a cosmic diorama of chaos, much like the big bang. Everyone will be in here grousing and threatening to remove their products from the catalog, going on strike. Maybe half, if we're lucky, would actually get recategorized. Why? Because I think as much as half the catalog is stuff owned by people no longer here, people who would be dead set against it, people who have lives outside of IMVU that won't allow them the time any longer, and the remainder would be claimed by the epic glitches we all know comes whenever IMVU looks crosseyed at the server. They can't even do tests on how people search through the catalog without making part of it disappear and reappear on some Russian website dedicated to Potato Patch Kids.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slightly off topic, but on the topic of catalog re-org. My idea is somewhat simple.

Create the base categories and base sub categories you need. Lock out submissions to all other categories (leave them able to be browsed). This allows active creators to move their own creations as required. Run a recursive script to move products from the unused categories to the 'miscellaneous' sub-category under each main category. Run that over 6 months to a year. Have these categories displayed in both client and website. You should be able to finally remove the unused categories and work on refining Shop options that are not dependent on those category organizations.

To touch upon some of the comments made previously. I do have an 'ad block' built into my head (this is how I can actually forget that Pulse exists). I know that they have a wishlist suggestions, but I really never look at that. The What's New that shows on the website catalog only shows Pro (and is only GA products) and is sometimes not that 'new'. I tend to only pay attention to that when an AP product shows up rated GA.

I am happy that IMVU has finally listened to us when we asked for increased marketing opportunities.

As with anything IMVU proposes, I question their implementation. I hope this does not become a flash in the pan 'good idea' that gets forgotten 2 months down the road.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The advertising is useless unless I can see that a purchaser came to me from an ad/promo spot. I want to see click reports, how many looked at my product page, how many tried an outfit and how many completed the sale.

There is no point paying money unless I can see the success.


I know right...

How about even an old fashioned HIT COUNTER ? ? ?

On a different note:
HEY ? Did I miss something? IMVU said SIMILAR to the GOOGLE or eBay ads. I thought it was to be on IMVU pages Similar to these is what I got out of the survey. Who said Off-Site Ads? where>? I am confused...............
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:45 pm    Post subject: really not a good idea Reply with quote

paying rl money for promoting the product ? .. sounds like a bad idea ....which leads to bad quality products in the shop.... Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We're just throwing ideas around Lestat, don't worry Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still think paying will not help in anyway, because people who game their way to the top will still be able to buy those spots, as well as those who do not NEED it. Now what about us? I may be the first level of pro but im still an unknown, and i go by my sales, i can't afford to buy credits. I cant even afford to get myself things! I like the idea of maybe one or two slots at random, for no cost, though if there is a cost, say bye bye you hard working devs who cant afford this until some miracle happens. And yes we do need to fix a LOT of things, like the policy on thieves. (off topic) but i'm still seeing the same thieves circulating products, from people they have already stolen from! Its getting out of hand.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I usually do not get into these discussions, because sometimes I feel that while I am not "new at developing", I am new to caring about my tiers and "money" I am earning. With that being said...

I think this has the potential to be a good idea, if it is put into motion in the right way, but I do believe IMVU has some kinks they need to work out with the current system now. For instance, the way products are flagged. I would hate to pay real money, possibly get hundreds of sales from that advertisement, just to have some random person for whatever reason go through my catalog and flag something like, let's say a pair of shoes. Then because they flagged that product and it almost seems that it is IMMEDIATE that IMVU re-rates your product and takes your credits away without even looking half the time as to what they just gave out reimbursements for, I could then go in the hole and have to pay MORE real money to get my account back. I only mention that because of the fact that I just recently had someone flag a pair of shoes. Regular heels, nothing vulgar or anything about them, just regular shoes LOL. On the emails I got regarding this, IMVU's email of setting them to restricted and then issuing refunds or taking my credits away were only seconds after the email I got about the flagging of the item, as if IMVU just said "Oh, okay, it is violating things" and punished me without even checking. So, with that little story, I am just lucky that they hadn't sold too many since they were pretty new, because it could have really messed me up.

I think before something like this that has the potential to really get us some HUGE sales, IMVU needs to fix how they handle other situations with the catalog, products, PR, flagging, stealing, copybotting and all those issues. If that stuff got handled? I would be more than willing to pay a little money to get me one of those spots and utilize my talent in a way I didn't think I would.

Hope everyone has a nice day/night. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I still think paying will not help in anyway, because people who game their way to the top will still be able to buy those spots, as well as those who do not NEED it. Now what about us? I may be the first level of pro but im still an unknown, and i go by my sales, i can't afford to buy credits. I cant even afford to get myself things! I like the idea of maybe one or two slots at random, for no cost, though if there is a cost, say bye bye you hard working devs who cant afford this until some miracle happens. And yes we do need to fix a LOT of things, like the policy on thieves. (off topic) but i'm still seeing the same thieves circulating products, from people they have already stolen from! Its getting out of hand.


It will definitely be a race between who has the most money, And thats possibly what Imvu is aiming for.

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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brilliant wrote:
I usually do not get into these discussions, because sometimes I feel that while I am not "new at developing", I am new to caring about my tiers and "money" I am earning. With that being said...

I think this has the potential to be a good idea, if it is put into motion in the right way, but I do believe IMVU has some kinks they need to work out with the current system now. For instance, the way products are flagged. I would hate to pay real money, possibly get hundreds of sales from that advertisement, just to have some random person for whatever reason go through my catalog and flag something like, let's say a pair of shoes. Then because they flagged that product and it almost seems that it is IMMEDIATE that IMVU re-rates your product and takes your credits away without even looking half the time as to what they just gave out reimbursements for, I could then go in the hole and have to pay MORE real money to get my account back. I only mention that because of the fact that I just recently had someone flag a pair of shoes. Regular heels, nothing vulgar or anything about them, just regular shoes LOL. On the emails I got regarding this, IMVU's email of setting them to restricted and then issuing refunds or taking my credits away were only seconds after the email I got about the flagging of the item, as if IMVU just said "Oh, okay, it is violating things" and punished me without even checking. So, with that little story, I am just lucky that they hadn't sold too many since they were pretty new, because it could have really messed me up.

I think before something like this that has the potential to really get us some HUGE sales, IMVU needs to fix how they handle other situations with the catalog, products, PR, flagging, stealing, copybotting and all those issues. If that stuff got handled? I would be more than willing to pay a little money to get me one of those spots and utilize my talent in a way I didn't think I would.

Hope everyone has a nice day/night. Smile


Very true, I've seen too many big developers getting slapped in the face with a DMCA and staff are literally taking off their items instantly before sorting it out, Which I find disrespectful. I'm not sure if they get their money back but even so staff need to have the ability to see whats a RL flag and whats a hater flag.
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CherryNoire wrote:
We're just throwing ideas around Lestat, don't worry Razz


In reading more I see.

I just don't understand putting a new paint job on a car that doesn't run :/

Fix the Catalog First

Varsha's Hard Work - Started the ideas and fizzled out :/
http://www.imvu.com/catalog/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpbb2&file=viewtopic.php&t=339944

Notorious Follow Up - More issues addressed - "I can't find *** in the catalog. "
http://www.imvu.com/catalog/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpbb2&file=viewtopic.php&t=347592&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

The last answer?
http://www.imvu.com/catalog/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpbb2&file=viewtopic.php&t=375277&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Maybe a few will get it when I say "Why point into a catalog that is so broken?"

xLadytot wrote:

It will definitely be a race between who has the most money, And thats possibly what Imvu is aiming for.


Yes, the only reason I can see the advertizements will be sold is to *hopefully* generate enough of a credit sink that IMVU can then afford to fix the catalog?

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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would love the ability to make changes in my catty.... for example being able to move all of one line together so you can see it instead of..... ohhh damn, i want this for that line and it is 10 pages away from the rest.... meh perhaps it is just me... put my clothing lines all in one place... furniture in another.. rooms in another... anything to dev.. yet another but all in one catty.. yep i would love that and i am pretty certain IMVU would hate it lol


Actually, this would be a great too to boost sales.. Easier to grab a customer's interest by keeping sets and the likes together... Not to mention that it just plain old appeals to my OCD. It would be nice to have the option to go back and add something to a set later without it being an odd item way off in BFE, y'know?
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 4:47 am    Post subject: Re: really not a good idea Reply with quote

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paying rl money for promoting the product ? .. sounds like a bad idea ....which leads to bad quality products in the shop.... Crying or Very sad


They already run rampant, don't they? I get that everyone has to work their way up to improve on his or her skill level, but slapping a Google image on a product and calling it a creation? Or stealing someone's art from DA or other art site and turning it into a poster? The catalog is filled with such things... I don't really see how added advertising will have much bearing on that. People are either going to take pride in their work or they're not... regardless of their willingness to spend a rl buck.
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, the only reason I can see the advertizements will be sold is to *hopefully* generate enough of a credit sink that IMVU can then afford to fix the catalog?


I think I'm going to side with Lestat on this one... it seems any "new" idea that comes up lately is either a hassle or a credit sink.
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's a horrible, horrible idea. It will just cause the rich creators to get more visibility and even more sales which the new creators with not that big incomes get even less visibility and even less sales just because they cannot afford to buy the featured spots that all the pro creators can. The only thing that can save it is that the price is so high of the featured spots that it is not worth for anyone to buy but I really hope this idea will not actually be done because I have noticed that even though there are so many products there, the good products that people like and want are found And me myself as a small developer am seriously scared of getting even less sales than I already have and not being able to create at all anymore.


Agree with you ...

Suppose this survey is for increasing sales which means find new ideas to improve the IMVU program itself coz ppl get bored and need new style that attracting them and improve all developers sales

But what is obviously clear now is that the servery is for how to improve the rich developers sales and the IMVU money ... IMVU always making for their sake only and don't care about others
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