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Terrify_disabled_37906973
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 Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:35 am Post subject: IP Ban Users |
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| So I'm getting tired of pathetic people making new accounts to spam a code to crash people/rooms, I was thinking maybe IMVU should just start IP Banning the users? (Disabling the accounts) used from a IP? I'm sure IMVU could easily get the IP when a user logs into the client/webpage, Or creates the account. So why not ban the accounts from the IP or just ban the IP rather than banning one random guest account when they can easily make a new account and continue to break the TOS? |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:03 am Post subject: |
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IP bans don't work.
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XxMissSnowyxX
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:09 am Post subject: |
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to add to what ezi has said, so you will have a better understanding.
IP banning is impossible because almost everyone has what is called a dynamic IP address.
What this means is that anytime you access the net, you get a new number from the available numbers.
Also what makes IP banning not a good idea is that if you have multiple computers on a single modem, if i'm not mistaken they will all share the same IP number. So if you have multiple people living in the same home and they use IMVU, one person gets IP banned, that other person is effected as well.
The other thing that makes IP banning impossible is that someone just with a fraction of internet knowledge, IE knows how to use the search engines, can just change their IP address within a few moments.
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Terrify_disabled_37906973
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:42 am Post subject: |
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| The range of the dynamic IP wouldn't change whatsoever. Also If somebody's going around breaking the TOS in a household whom uses IMVU Constantly, They should be part of the ones to blame as well. Either IMVU should start IP Banning or they should fix the client and add spam filters.. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:04 am Post subject: |
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I'm a bit confused on this.
| Quote: | | Also If somebody's going around breaking the TOS in a household whom uses IMVU Constantly, They should be part of the ones to blame as well. |
So are you saying for an example; Myself and a friend live in the same house, have computers in different parts of the house. If they are breaking the TOS, that I should be held accountable for their actions?
That would be like saying you have a family of 4 and one of the children gets caught stealing that the whole family should also be charged, if I'm understand what I quoted right.
As I stated in my first post, it has explained in detail why IP banning is not possible. It might not be what people like to hear, but it is what it is.
Now if you want to talk about stopping code crashers that is an entirely different matter and has been brought up on numerous occasions. Everything from imposing a character limit, to a delay in how often someone can insert text. Personally I would love to see IMVU impose a character limit and delay.
As for spam filters; spam filters as as about as effective as using a 200 lb. rock as a floatation device. There are online communities; Blizzard Entertainment for example, they have way for monetary resources at their disposal, and even WOW still has spam.
Don't think that I ike the same people you are talking about and wish IMVU could do more. But being that it's online there is only so much any company can do, with targeting the individual instead of punishing the masses.
I am just one user, but might I offer a suggestion sometime, to maybe help support what I am trying to say.
Go on a search engine of your choosing and type "How Effective is IP Banning"
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RinaFanel13
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| Dynamic IPs can also be drasrically changed via a call to your internet provider. Same with static IP addresses. IP banning hasn't worked for ages. |
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LordRiccardo
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:44 am Post subject: |
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ou are asking for banning IP addresses when banning IP addresses on the internet hasn't worked in years they are all to easy changed and replaced to the point that a ban is completely impossible to enforce. The only banning that has even half a chance of working is a internet ban completely and that just won't happen as it's unenforceable.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:46 am Post subject: |
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You can change your IP whenever you want, one call and they're back.
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One doesn't even need to make a telephone call in some cases it's as simple as unplugging the router and plugging it back in
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| I was just told by a few people that if there are more than one account being accessed by the same computer, they are going to ban the accounts. I find this ridiculous since we only have ONE computer and certainly will not be buying a new computer JUST for IMVU... If anyone else has heard of this, please let me know, as this is unfair and we have both paid a lot of money for our accounts. :/ |
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| PirateRockStar wrote: | | I was just told by a few people that if there are more than one account being accessed by the same computer, they are going to ban the accounts. I find this ridiculous since we only have ONE computer and certainly will not be buying a new computer JUST for IMVU... If anyone else has heard of this, please let me know, as this is unfair and we have both paid a lot of money for our accounts. :/ |
Um. That's not true. IMVU needs all the accounts it can get, that's how they make money, and they honestly don't care how many people use the computer. They will only block a user on that computer if they compromise the other accounts (never use auto logins when using a shared computer!) and that rarely happens, because people living with you have a chance of kicking your hiney for screwing with them. |
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| PirateRockStar wrote: | | I was just told by a few people that if there are more than one account being accessed by the same computer, they are going to ban the accounts. I find this ridiculous since we only have ONE computer and certainly will not be buying a new computer JUST for IMVU... If anyone else has heard of this, please let me know, as this is unfair and we have both paid a lot of money for our accounts. :/ |
It is untrue. Just one of the rumours that wander around the chat rooms and pulse.
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 1:36 am Post subject: |
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| Domi wrote: | | add spam filters.. |
this.
i do agree about IP banning. shure, someone can easly change it, but will they? most 'trolls' around here are just kiddo's, and if they change the IP adress, their parents shure will notice and wont be happy with that.
so there are more people in the household playing IMVU? well, to bad? let the troll know that he is hated for it.  |
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LordRiccardo
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| lapfox wrote: | | Domi wrote: | | add spam filters.. |
this.
i do agree about IP banning. shure, someone can easly change it, but will they? most 'trolls' around here are just kiddo's, and if they change the IP adress, their parents shure will notice and wont be happy with that.
so there are more people in the household playing IMVU? well, to bad? let the troll know that he is hated for it. |
Over 90% of the entire internet industry is now dynamic and it's increasing all the time static fixed IP addresses are a thing of the past they will cease to exist. You cannot ban what isn't going to exist in fact give it another year or two and that will be it there will be no such thing as a non dynamic IP address. And as for the notion that parents will know that the IP was changed who you trying to kid most adults don't know for a starter how to check it as they are more computer illiterate than their children are.
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 2:01 am Post subject: |
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| LordRiccardo wrote: | | Over 90% of the entire internet industry is now dynamic and it's increasing all the time static fixed IP addresses are a thing of the past they will cease to exist. You cannot ban what isn't going to exist in fact give it another year or two and that will be it there will be no such thing as a non dynamic IP address. And as for the notion that parents will know that the IP was changed who you trying to kid most adults don't know for a starter how to check it as they are more computer illiterate than their children are. |
didn't know that. i know is that i dont have, nor my family, and for most who live in this area.
same for parents having a lack of computer experience. kids know how to use google, but that's about it for most of them. ('how to ...')
i dont know how easy it is to change a IP adress, but it cannot be that easy? for me, i need to make a phonecall and wait a few hours. if its possible to change your IP by a click of a button, that shure is making alot of problems at many communities. i dont see that happening anytime soon at my area. a phonecall is something i dont see a kid doing just to be a pain in the :@ .
i understand that IP banning has a downside, but something really needs to be done about these people who are freezing rooms. they are up to no good, in any possible way as Domi say'd: spam filters |
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