why has this place become newbe hating ?

Mikanojo · Joined: 23 May 2007 Posts: 2945 Location: USA

Evil balances good?

WRONG.

People dedicated to committing evil acts of harassment such as trolling have just as much excuse for being in IMVU as weeds have an excuse for being in a garden.

A garden that is neglected may get overrun by weeds..

Just as a public room that is neglected by the room owner may get overrun with squatting trolls - that is the actual 'nature' involved here.

i was aware of the way that many people do make a distinction between neu people and noobs.. the degrading title however does not make any distinction, and what i have often witnessed is that any one with a neu account that still says 'guest' in the name is often the target of the harassment.

There are even public rooms that expressly ban guest accounts in their room descriptions, so that would hardly be making any distinction about how people ACT.

Those examples cited.. furries looking too hot? i will guess you did not mean furries that were actually on fire.. but the other common meaning of hot.. looking sexy? Sexualized half-animal hybrids? There are public rooms dedicated to such content.. they are not GA rooms.. or they SHOULD not be GA rooms..

People looking too 'bondagey'??? i will guess that you mean people who are dressed in such a manner that they are displaying bondage as a theme.. or BDSM which is actually very different than just bondage because one is simply a fetish while the other involves sadism and masochism. Even if the clothes and items they have on may be currently rated GA.. if the theme is AP then those people need to be in an AP scene.

Both of those examples are CHOICES that people make.. ACTS that people choose to commit, to advertise, and display their support for.

i can offer a personal example of a choice that i made that causes many people in IMVU to discriminate against me - i am a Christian, and i have this halo above mai head, a gift from mai sister given to me in 2007, that i CHOOSE to wear, just as i CHOOSE to display Christian symbols in some of mai visible badges. In IMVU more than in any other setting i have ever been a part of, many people discriminate against me because of those CHOICES that i made. That is honestly their option.. i can respect their wishes to not have Christians in their public rooms, and i do NOT enter into rooms that say 'no Christians' or that promote anti-Christian themes.. i do not belong in those rooms and so i need to act like a responsible adult and NOT go into those rooms.. and i do not.

Discriminating about the CHOICES that some people make really has no connection with the CONDITION of being NEU..

Harassing people simply for the condition of being neu is no different than harassing some one for being left-handed.. it is a condition, outside of the ability of any one to control or choose - we were all neu here once.

Harassing people simply for the condition of being neu is no different than harassing some one because their skin color is not the same as yours.
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JinzoCrash · Joined: 02 Apr 2011 Posts: 1665 Location: USA - TX

RinaFanel13 · Joined: 25 Nov 2009 Posts: 5530 Location: USA - CO

Jinzo is right a newb is not a n00b. Which on the net the term is used for an idiot to stupid and ignorant of the rules to actually be worth giving attention to. Noobs are generally trolling noobs.

And he is true about most religious people. I have heard some of the most intolerant words come out of devote Christian people. If anything the most acceptance I've gotten from most religions were non Christian and believe it or not telling someone to dress modestly just because it offends you, is shocing your ideals in another's face, which goes against practically every faith system out there. Top that off some of the most hateful things I've seen on imvu when it comes to the newb bashing was in a christian room who made fun of the fact that her avatar was the default goth avi with the corpseh skin. I believe they used the phrase "Oh look its a satan worshiper. What didn't have enough credits to lay for a decent look" and yes i reportrd every last one of them and they're room.

So the whole agrument about good Christian folks is a litt redundant since you know all humans are flawed and judgmental even self proclaimed God fearing Christians. Not bashing the religion just the people who seem to populate it these days. They're just as cruel as other people so i can't hold them all to a standard like others can. (Summary: religion doesn't give anyone the excuse to judge other people because religion is comprised of people too.)

On the furkini note, IMVU has ruled them Ga as long as they cover the red and do not show any shading in the gentile area. That means no camel toe shading no thongs and no pubic shading for males.

I where them without fur and the work like guess what BAKINIS! As long as they are not ap compatible they are GA.

Mikki · Joined: 27 Sep 2009 Posts: 217 Location: United Kingdom

I joined IMVU when I was 14 - like nearly 3 years ago and wow has it changed in that short time.

First off I read all the comments in this thread before replying cause I think this is something IMVU need to take notice of.

There have always been n00bs and there will ofcourse always be Newbs we was all Newbs once. The problem is that IMVU is seriously to blame for not understanding social behavior and communities even though it claims to host one.

The first thing is people here are anonymous and hide behind their anonymity to behave in unsocial ways, baiting, name calling and general acting in unsociable ways - and IMVU do nothing about it.

Second is people can easily make as many accounts as they want and use them in the most negative and disruptive ways possible..

How to spot a newb as opposed to a n00b ...

I admit I am no angel and have made fun of newbies although generally I am kind to them especially if they have big heads I think I have gifted more heads than anything to people.

Newbies have a habit of not spending credits on shoes >.< i notice these details - you can spot a Newbie by the boots or shoes they wear. Yes they will have a real cool dress or out fit but the boots remain the same!

n00bs on the other hand are usually Trolls.. They will have a joined date of a few days or weeks but they will be well dressed - INCLUDING the shoes or boots - Newbies don't tend to develop thier fashion sense so fast as people that have been through the curve and know what to buy.

Socially IMVU has changed - although it does not show such a large increas in users as you would expect. this is because 1000's of IMVU users have gotten so fed up with IMVU and moved to Secondlife. The hardcore users tend to be us Developers who have invested so much into the Game it becomes difficult to move away from it.

IMVU dont care - they know that as one person walks out the door a new person walks in - a new person with an empty inventory who will spend a 10 or 20 K worth of creds to get half decent. This flow of new for old is what keeps IMVU afloat - the problem is IMVU has become seriously boring to the point where even I prefer to chat with friends in skype than here >.<

There was some really cool features

The trigger music - enabled people to play and party and listen to music together - now you have to have 2 people in a room and as soon as its down to 1 the mix dies so if some one crashes and comes back you have to restart a mix all over - people (I know) dont even bother with mixes anymore instead they make a mix on mixpod or something share the url with firends and party that way - but still its not spontaneous but at least if your friends happen to be halfways around the world they dont have to suffer long periods of "This Track is Not avail for streaming in your territory"

Guests are allowed to make a room thousands of utter useless rooms cluttering up the servers - Now this is great for IMVU cause every guest can buy a room from the catalog and furnish it and stuff and VIPs like myself can have upto 10 Rooms whooppee do!

This is just more marketing from IMVU getting people to spend they really don't give a F*ck about any of us we are all expendible because there will always be More Newbs to fill the empty spaces - and the thing about Newbs is they don't know any different. They never experienced the IMVU that used to be.

So where am I going with this diatribe ......

Back to the point in question the hate ...

the hating and baiting that has become prevalent on IMVU stems from the lack of interesting and engaging activities and social bonding that used to be and has been replaced with these games of nastiness. because people are basically bored as f*ck and go into rooms to cause sh*t just for the entertainment factor, as sad as that is.

So IMVU You need to take note,

cause your driving the under 18s into private rooms where they get up to all the things you dont want under 18s to be getting upto LMAO trust me on that and bring back some of the old things that teens used to enjoy sharing with each other in public - I can't speak for the adults but seriously >.< if I am still playing this game when I am 19 i know I have a problem.

my 2.5 cents and then some...
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Mikki · Joined: 27 Sep 2009 Posts: 217 Location: United Kingdom

On the topics of Furries and Latex --

Personally I applaud the Furry Community it think its fun and thats what IMVU should be about andif people aren't into furryness then thats fine too but leave those who enjoy being creative and roleplaying alone to enjoy what they like.

LOLZ and on the Latex thing dayum - I'm definitely damned cause my catalog is full of latex and leather and do i give a d*mn hell no - people need to get a life cause i aint in the developing mood for hessian underwear and slacks.

May be a naughty Latex Nun outfit for Furries though - now hold that thought ...

But not for too long >.<
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JinzoCrash · Joined: 02 Apr 2011 Posts: 1665 Location: USA - TX

Mikki · Joined: 27 Sep 2009 Posts: 217 Location: United Kingdom

Mikanojo · Joined: 23 May 2007 Posts: 2945 Location: USA

The two people attempting to twist this thread into a weak attack on Christianity apparently do not understand what being Christian means - what they actually attacked are stereotypes..

Stereotypes DO exist but attacking a stereotype is like attacking a barn. The barn is not a person, not an ideal or philosophy, it is only a construct built to keep some people / things in and keep other people / things out.

When it is a matter of actual PEOPLE, it is their own actions and choices that define them, and the stereotype exists in spite of them - not because of them.

Each person as an individual CHOOSES to accept the barn as either keeping them in or keeping them out or if the barn really has nothing to do with them at all.

Spiritual beliefs are not actually required to understand a need for people to speak out against criminal acts that people choose to commit. Reporting criminal acts, taking a stand against unhealthy and harmful activity, like trolling for example..

That is how society is created and maintained.. by learning the difference between healthy and unhealthy, and choosing what is most healthy for the majority.

When we do that it automatically upsets the minority who actually champion the cause of chaos, evil.. and in this thread specifically the people who write in FAVOR of trolling.

Trolling is against the rules of IMVU.

So regardless of any ones personal feelings, their sense of morality or lack of it, their desire to spread chaos and evil in IMVU, or their desire to remove the evil and unhealthy content from IMVU..

The rules have not changed.

Trolling is not accepted in IMVU.. a recent choice IMVU made to close down public rooms that have no controls against trolling is a PERFECT example of this.. as well as the Site etiquette in the Terms of Service.

And honestly.. trying to excuse trolling by explaining the difference between newb and noob?

If some one is acting in any manner that you find unacceptable in IMVU, trolling them is still NOT excusable. Ever.

Instead, the people acting in annoying ways can and should be BOOTED out and if those individuals can not learn from being booted out then they should be banned from that public room.

THAT is how IMVU is intended to work.

i boot out trolls. i also boot out people begging for credits..

but making the STUPID mistake, by assuming that all people with neu accounts are going to act in those stereotypical ways that were listed before in the thread..

is just as stupid as imagining that one Christian is going to act exactly like every other.
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Mirn · Joined: 16 Jan 2008 Posts: 1731 Location: USA - KS

The world is becoming more idiotic? Um.. new technologies?

Brainwashing people? Oh, I don't know.
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Arezeon · Joined: 06 Jan 2009 Posts: 5000 Location: India

A noob is not always a newbie, for example it can also be a long time user who relentlessly writes long posts full of fails. When the fails are pointed out them, the noob will start insulting others and accusing them of trolling.

So you see, the perception of noob and troll are always relative.
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Mikki · Joined: 27 Sep 2009 Posts: 217 Location: United Kingdom

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Jamo · Joined: 20 Apr 2007 Posts: 12770 Location: United Kingdom

Lets look at the source of the problem.

Who gave the village idiots broadband? Now they unite.
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Jib · Joined: 17 Oct 2009 Posts: 19 Location: USA - MD

Put it this way. In real life, how would you expect people to treat you if you did the following?

"PLZ GIVE ME SOME MONEY I DON'T HAVE A JOB/DON'T WANT TO SPEND MY OWN!!!"

Asks for help/expects things done for them, even though there are resources out there.

Ignores the warning signs, road signs, maps, directions and cries when they are lost or in trouble.

Walks into your party and starts dancing/touching people without first introducing themselves.

Posts flyers and advertisements in the wrong places.

Stands in line at the help desk, and asking the same questions as the people in front of them, even though their answer was said loud and clear.

Calls themselves an Empress/Emperor.

Telephones the tech center asking how to do their makeup.

Smashes all the buttons in the elevator for no reason (equivalent to posting random smilies and forum codes).

Goes to an art gallery and thinks it's MTV shoutout "HI I AM KAYLEN AND I AM SINGLE AND FROM MONTANA! HIT ME UP!"

Goes to a designer clothes shop and complains about how high the prices are.

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I treat them exactly like I do here. By laughing at them, ignoring them, or telling them to gtfo. I would only give them special treatment if they were clearly special.

KingIonTrueLove · Joined: 07 Apr 2007 Posts: 155 Location: USA - OR

-Adbots (back in the day where they would show up in rooms and spam like mad)
-Spambots (your friendly inbox message from person giving you free creds rofl)
-Remains of adbots (the guests you see go in a room, then 10 seconds later poof out)
-Trolls (HEY YOU UGLY PERSON! -uses attack animations)
-Noisy Trolls (-has the loudest machinegun in imvu)
-Sex Addicts (Hey babe, wanna cyber?)
-L33t speakers (i wna c u nked u gt piks?)
-Sex spammers(Hey go to this website and you can see me naked)
-The "Add everybody randomly guy"
-The beggers (free credits PLOX?)
-The RP spies

-And the maybey 1% of all guest accounts that are decent, well mannered, human beings.

Its unfortunate but its true. But best tip to you guests out there: Fill out your avatar card. Get a good picture, fill in everything, get some badges. Just with that you instantly separate yourself from most of the bad groups. And don't talk in l33t speak. If i see a guest account talking and acting properly i will treat such person properly as well.
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