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Nathalie
Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 364 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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I used to rp an elven lady at my last rp, she died. |
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DiezAre 
Joined: 28 Jul 2011 Posts: 1045 Location: Antarctica
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Dying in one Rp doesn't mean shes gone in other timelines. :3 |
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IshikaruTanaka 
Joined: 16 Oct 2006 Posts: 391 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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Diez is right. Your characters belong to you and no one else can tell you whatt to do with them. If you really liked her, bring her back and find somewwhere else to play her, and always know you can report the evil lady's bad comments to staff, if she does it again/anymore. Don't let her get to you and don't put up with it! _________________ Prince of Purple! - Hard Candy Products | Bishounen Kingdom | IMVU Explained!
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Scitza
Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 379 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:53 am Post subject: |
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Note to self: Don't read numerous pages of long posts before coffee. x_x
... Anyway... I'd have to agree with most of what has been said here. I do observe this a lot myself. And despite my usually, "Annoy me in anyway and insta-boot" nature, I do try to reason with these people sometimes. I can see if they're from said group and used to said rules blah blah blah, all that silly stuff but they don't realize, not the same rules apply everywhere. Hell, even the people I RP with, act however the hell you want, just beware what our characters may do IC.
Now, usually, I end up having to boot these oh-so-lovely people but their response tends to be how long they've been RPing... They're right... We should bow down and kiss their bloody feet. I don't care. Someone could be at a job for years on end and still not know *** or would their way be the right way. |
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CountVladDracula
Joined: 07 Oct 2010 Posts: 8130 Location: USA - NY
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:44 am Post subject: |
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| Nathalie wrote: | I used to rp an elven lady at my last rp, she died. |
You can always bring her back in different games. No one has the right to permanently take a character from you but you. |
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GibbertjeDeWolf
Joined: 12 Jan 2012 Posts: 431 Location: USA - NY
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:40 am Post subject: |
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| Hel wrote: |
Now, usually, I end up having to boot these oh-so-lovely people but their response tends to be how long they've been RPing... They're right... We should bow down and kiss their bloody feet. I don't care. Someone could be at a job for years on end and still not know *** or would their way be the right way. |
Well said! The great irony, I find, is that these evangelists of The One True Way are completely oblivious to the fact that, if the way they did things were as superior as they believe, they wouldn't need to mock, harangue, or otherwise coerce people into adopting their preferences Their bitterness betrays the thin ice that their shallow self-assuredness is seated upon ... _________________ "We're only human/Seperated by our thoughts/So hang on to them,
or you'll find you might get caught/Caught up in the 'Hey! Monkey See and Monkey Do!'/Must they get brainwashed by what's surrounding you?!" -- Skye Sweetnam |
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DiezAre 
Joined: 28 Jul 2011 Posts: 1045 Location: Antarctica
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:53 am Post subject: |
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| Jaelie1990 wrote: | | Hel wrote: |
Now, usually, I end up having to boot these oh-so-lovely people but their response tends to be how long they've been RPing... They're right... We should bow down and kiss their bloody feet. I don't care. Someone could be at a job for years on end and still not know *** or would their way be the right way. |
Well said! The great irony, I find, is that these evangelists of The One True Way are completely oblivious to the fact that, if the way they did things were as superior as they believe, they wouldn't need to mock, harangue, or otherwise coerce people into adopting their preferences Their bitterness betrays the thin ice that their shallow self-assuredness is seated upon ... |
Well said. xD
Hel too in her post. |
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Gaussdril
Joined: 24 Mar 2007 Posts: 27 Location: USA - PA
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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You know i was reading this again and i suddenly realized there was one aspect that had yet to be addressed. For a moment I was proud of myself for being in complete agreement with this then I realized i can't claim to have never done this. In fact I will openly admit to having a distaste for a number of people who play Drow playing them as something other then the Chaotic Evil race they are.
Sadly most Drow I see are played like Drizzt Do'Urden, or Elistraeean or some other form that completely lacks the chaotic blood thirst that is largely recognized as the core of the race. I mean think about it if the Drow were as Human as so many people play them here in IMVU would a figure such as Drizzt be so popular?
And as I write this I wonder. Am I wrong to agree with this thread while having such feelings? Am I a victim of elitism because I disagree with the large amount of people who are taking something that was meant to be blood thirsty and destructive and forcing it to be nothing more then just another kingdom of people?
And as i Wonder that I ask myself, How does one know when they are being Elitiest? Where does one draw the line between Elitism and a simple feeling of "that's wrong, right?" |
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GibbertjeDeWolf
Joined: 12 Jan 2012 Posts: 431 Location: USA - NY
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| Gaussdril wrote: | | In fact I will openly admit to having a distaste for a number of people who play Drow playing them as something other then the Chaotic Evil race they are. |
Well, I'm no expert on drow, but I'm presuming they're an intelligent race. If so, there's always room for them to strive against the strictures of their nature. That's certainly the case for us humans, right?
| Quote: | | And as I write this I wonder. Am I wrong to agree with this thread while having such feelings? |
Not as such, no.
| Quote: | | Am I a victim of elitism because I disagree with the large amount of people who are taking something that was meant to be blood thirsty and destructive and forcing it to be nothing more then just another kingdom of people? |
Here's the thing. Do you voice your 'distaste' to the drow-RP'ers, or do you merely shrug to yourself and let them go about their merry way? More to the point: do you make any attempt (however slight) to force others to assume the burden of your preferences? This is the critical difference, as I see it, between people with elitist opinions and genuine elitists with axes to grind on the necks of the muses
By the way: Lá Fhéile Pádraig Sona Duit! (Happy St. Patrick's Day to You!) _________________ "We're only human/Seperated by our thoughts/So hang on to them,
or you'll find you might get caught/Caught up in the 'Hey! Monkey See and Monkey Do!'/Must they get brainwashed by what's surrounding you?!" -- Skye Sweetnam |
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DiezAre 
Joined: 28 Jul 2011 Posts: 1045 Location: Antarctica
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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Gauss; I think it depends on how you go about your bias. Everyone has preferences. Like I dislike demons in Rp greatly because of how they are portrayed. But I dont try to force my beleifs on anyone or say 'this is how demons MUST be played'
If i dont like it I wont RP with it. Or will but partially ignore it.
But if you were making thread after thread whining about how drow were played because your the greatest know it all drow player on the face of the planet. Or booting players from a chatroom because of their drow when they are not breaking your rules. Yeah then I would be a little curious as to why you are agreeing.
I draw the line at when 'Thats wrong' is turned into constant shoving of opinions down peoples throats and constant repetition of opinions without considering the others post or bothering to reference it for the sake of discussion. Illogical blockings/bootings because the room owner is SO RIGHT ABOUT THINGS THAT DONT EXIST, YO. Yeah that stuff. That I see everywere. Which IMO is killing RP for some people. |
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Gaussdril
Joined: 24 Mar 2007 Posts: 27 Location: USA - PA
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Jaelie1990 wrote: |
Well, I'm no expert on drow, but I'm presuming they're an intelligent race. If so, there's always room for them to strive against the strictures of their nature. That's certainly the case for us humans, right?
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Certainly they can, in fact Ambition is a trait that is typically nurtured in Drow. However we are all products of our enviroment, and if you were to follow the published information on Drow; it turns out their rearing is typically extremely violent.
The childhood of a typical Drow is all violence and training. Seems like its planned around creating a weapon/tool to increase the houses power.
At least thats what i've gathered from all the information I've read up on them. Of course thats also Faerunian Drow, I don't know much on the Eberran variety.
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But if you were making thread after thread whining about how drow were played because your the greatest know it all drow player on the face of the planet. Or booting players from a chatroom because of their drow when they are not breaking your rules. Yeah then I would be a little curious as to why you are agreeing.
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I see your point, and can proudly admit I don't. In fact I try not to point out whats wrong with some ones Drow unless asked. It always cracks me up when someone asks "Whats the matter you don't know how to rp with a drow?" And I reply with a list of differences between their Drow and the source material.
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I draw the line at when 'Thats wrong' is turned into constant shoving of opinions down peoples throats and constant repetition of opinions without considering the others post or bothering to reference it for the sake of discussion. Illogical blockings/bootings because the room owner is SO RIGHT ABOUT THINGS THAT DONT EXIST, YO. Yeah that stuff. That I see everywere. Which IMO is killing RP for some people.
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I think your opinion is right. I'll be honest, I tend not to check the forum unless some one advises i do so. The one time I wanted to become involved here I felt chased away. |
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YardanDuran
Joined: 17 Jun 2007 Posts: 3290 Location: USA - LA
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:45 am Post subject: Re: Are roleplays not allowed to have free minds anymore? |
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Where people seem to think that things must happen a certain way, must be played a certain way, and all people must think like them. Be it the exact format of an entrance post, a character setup, length of a post, grammar/skill level, and how people must behave-- (Outside of room rules since most of the time i see this, its a roleplayer thats behaving as such about a room or plot that is not theirs. meaning how someone absolutely MUST play their character in that room/RP DESPITE it not being their room or plot to command) And if things dont go EXACTLY their way ICly they don't like the person, are hateful, (Mixing OOC and IC) try to put them down, (IC and OOC) are hateful to the room and plot, (Yet somehow don't just leave the room or otherwise if it displeases them that much) And so forth, I think you get the picture. |
Please forgive that I've joined this conversation so late. I merely wanted to take time to fully gather my thoughts in response to everything written here.
I mentioned this in another thread and yes, I, too see it happen more often than I think I'm comfortable with.
Remember the golden rule of RP? "RP AS THOU WILT!" I dont think this is a suggestion that someone can chose to ignore in order to gripe about people who dont do things a certain way. Its a respect that should be given to everyone. Everyone has a preferred way of doing things. For some, it is being historically accurate. For others, its being imaginative about ranks and roles and titles. For still others, its mingling timestreams without regard to accuracy or history. It is everyone's RIGHT to RP as they want to. It is not, however, someone's right to force others to do things the same way as them. That is their choice and if one do not agree with it, agree to disagree and go separate ways. It doesnt give someone the right or reason to publicly gripe and complain about the creative capacity of others and I would think that doing so makes people look very, very immature.
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Not everything in everyones RP is set in one particular type of stone carved by any one person or group. I don't care if they have been Rping since the big bang happened, if they are a part of some 'elite' group, or even if they just think so highly of themselves that they emit the light of day from their rear. In my opinion this kind of behaviour is disrespectful.
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I agree completely.
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How do you deal with people like this? Ignore, boot, try to get them to lighten up? Do you notice it too? |
I would rather not be around people like this and, if it is my room, I will ask them to leave and if they dont, boot them.
Doesnt anyone remember the "Pro Tolerance" movement? What happened to tolerance and basic kindnesses and respects for fellow RPers? _________________
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GibbertjeDeWolf
Joined: 12 Jan 2012 Posts: 431 Location: USA - NY
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:54 am Post subject: Re: Are roleplays not allowed to have free minds anymore? |
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| YardanDuran wrote: |
Doesnt anyone remember the "Pro Tolerance" movement? What happened to tolerance and basic kindnesses and respects for fellow RPers? |
A thousand times Amen to that, Yardan!
Y'know, sometimes I feel underdressed when I perambulate the bounds of RP here ... like I ought to have a nice pair of jackboots on ... perhaps a pair by Gucci, so as to satisfy the elites  _________________ "We're only human/Seperated by our thoughts/So hang on to them,
or you'll find you might get caught/Caught up in the 'Hey! Monkey See and Monkey Do!'/Must they get brainwashed by what's surrounding you?!" -- Skye Sweetnam |
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YardanDuran
Joined: 17 Jun 2007 Posts: 3290 Location: USA - LA
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:04 am Post subject: |
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It just occurs to me that with the many times I've witness the "this is the right way and anything else is wrong" attitude that I've seen just in this forum that it can be very intimidating to new roleplayers looking to learn. What is worse are the many times I've observed public flaming, bashing, and ridicule of specific instances described, as if they're flaunted for everyone to mock or held up as an example of "this isnt right". Its one thing to want to teach the generally accepted guidelines, but I have to ask... what gives anyone the right to set the rules of RP in stone and treat anyone as if they're "less" for choosing a different method? How does anyone expect to learn something different and, heaven forbid, evolve, if one only stays inside the box and never explores the way others do things?
I wish to personally apologize to anyone who has been made to feel as if they cannot express their preferred methods, whether due to witnessing others being mocked or held up for example, or because they've been made to feel that anything outside of the accepted guidelines are wrong. Please remember that though there are generally accepted guidelines, these are in no way above being flexible. If someone has a different method, it is my personal hope that they come forward and share, so we can all evolve together. _________________
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XxMissSnowyxX 
Joined: 24 Mar 2010 Posts: 2235 Location: Antarctica
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:31 am Post subject: |
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I think personally, for anyone learning how to RP; whether it be on here or table top, or on another platform, the key to it all is having an open mind.
I was looking through the last page on this thread, and noticed the topic of Drow Elves. By a lot of published points they are considered to conform to a certain lifestyle, but the ball doesn't drop there. Not everyone conforms to the same rules and regulations as published material..
Take for instance the Forgotten Realms, sure almost all the Drow in that setting are evil. But if I started a RP about a Drow Family, Kingdom, Setting, whatever.. who says the Drow that I have created are based on the Forgotten Realms setting?
I think a lot of people or should I say the so called "elitists" have forgotten or just don't care, that not every character is cut from the same cloth. You might have a race that is based off this word or story and they act this way, another player could have the same race from a different set of published info, or even completely reconstructed from their own imagination.
Neither person is right or wrong, and if you close yourself off to expansion in one form or another. I think in the end you are just hurting yourself. Because just because they don't play the same way as you, doesn't make them better or worse, it's just what it is.
This can even apply to established groups as well. Take the Drow example, but reverse the roles. The group is based on a group of Friendly Drow who want nothing more than to be accepted by the surface world, or maybe they already are. A new player joins the story and is a Drow that is hostile towards the surface world. I can see a whole bunch of possibilities for a great RP, as long as everyone is willing to open their minds and give it a shot.
I think people are their own worst enemy, they shut themselves off to try new things. Point being, the lot that says "This is the right way, your way is wrong." Who determines what is right and wrong? A book, a famous author, an established campaign setting? People must remember that all of these are personal interpretations of said topic, there is nothing anywhere that I have seen that says "This is how it is, any spin off is wrong." _________________
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