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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:29 am    Post subject: The X-men factor Reply with quote

This has come up several times in other threads. I can think of no other term for it but the X-Men factor.

It's when an RP focuses on a race being hated or persecuted for beng different whether it's magical beings vs. Mud bloods and muggles, werewolves vs. Vampires, vampires vs. Dhampirs, or shrimp vs. Crawfish.

It's become very popular for some race to be hunted, persecutedor even enslaved and some RPers have come to expect this racism allegory in every RP they take part in. Personally I've found the whole thing over done since the mid-1990s when X-men were really popular and everyone was trying to imitate them, even the third season of Disney's Gargoyles, which kind of bored me.

I've even noticed some RPers can't fathom a setting without this factor. They'll actually ask "Then who is the enemy?" Sometimes an antagonist doesn't need to be an entire race or an us vs. them. Sometimes it can be a jealous lover, a greedy sorcerer wanting more power, a political rival, a rogue gang of criminals or a great many other things.

My question is how do you feel about the X-men factor? Do you like it? Is it still fresh for you? Are you bored with it too? Do you have methods of spicing it up somehow? Are there shades of grey or is it the Wolverine movie all over again? Am I being too hard on it?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't that what the Von Helsing side of Dracula is all about? Saving the humans, "us", from the blood thirsty "them", the vampires? Aren't most vampire stories about vampires versus "food", the humans? Don't many vampires refer to humans in condescending terms, calling them sheep for the slaughter, deluded simpletons, and so on?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Isn't that what the Von Helsing side of Dracula is all about? Saving the humans, "us", from the blood thirsty "them", the vampires? Aren't most vampire stories about vampires versus "food", the humans? Don't many vampires refer to humans in condescending terms, calling them sheep for the slaughter, deluded simpletons, and so on?


Not quite. If Dracula hadn't been stopped he would have destroyed countless innocent lives. So there was no "misunderstanding" toward Dracula (unless you went by Dracula's own slant in Fred Saberhagen's books but the character is repeatedly proven to be a liar in those).

Dracula, himself, never viewed humans as sheep for the slaughter (except in one scene where he taunts Van Helsing in the Frank Wildhorn musical but that scene later got replaced with Zu Ende / It's over and that was mostly him trying to discourage the heroes from coming after him). He didn't under-estimate humans. He knew better than that. That's why he had heavy locks on his house and bars on the windows. Because he knew better than to think he was perfectly safe. He wanted to be part of the "Whirl and rush of humanity." He attended opera, studied language and fashion and even knew how to prepare a decent meal. Someone who thinks of humans as nothing more than cattle doesn't bother to do all that. He was a hunter who had some respect for his prey. I think he'd have found eternity very boring without the human race.

Dracula wanted to spread what he was, and he wanted power but in most incarnations he has a great deal of respect for Van Helsing and even complimented him a few times.

On the other side of that coin many incarnations of Van Helsing do not hate all vampires. In example Gustov (in the short lived Dracula The Series) in one episode befriended a vampire who did not like to kill. And Lawrence Van Helsing (played by Peter Cushing in Brides of Dracula) took pity on Baron Meinster's mother, that had been turned into a vampire against her will. Some contemporary variations of Van Helsing show mercy on Dracula himself and instead of killing him take him captive. Even in the Frankwildhorn musical Van Helsing attempts, in song, to get Dracula to surrender to him (Zu Ende in the German version / It's Over in the revised English language version).

When I talked about the X-men factor I was speaking about the blind and reasonless hatred like the chronic Lycan vs. Vampire issue or the "I and my friends were driven out of our kingdom because we have special powers and everyone hates us over it." That sort of thing. The one misunderstood group persecuted by another who just doesn't understand.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty sure I already posted my feelings on this, however...

If it's done well, in my opinion, it's still fresh.
It also depends what world you are in.
Say I make a universe. I don't know, a forest. And in it wolves and vampires get on well because it's my universe and I say so. (Before you mention, I'm very aware that Dracula was not only able to transform into a wolf, but was very fond of them as well.I'm using a underworld/true blood/what have you reference)
If someone came into my world and said "All wolves are out to get me because I am a vampire"
Then i'd tell them in this universe, biggotry doesn't apply.
If it's another persons room/universe, and they say biggotry applies, then it applies. I can always just say i'm an exception, it's not a big deal. *Shrugs* Just my opinion.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I think it's like waking up and looking in the cupboard and seeing can upon can of the same thing @.@

It's good the first few times, but after that it's like, "Enough Already"

Yes, I get the fact that you only have so many ideas that can be brainstormed before you have to start recycling them. I think a lot of people use it because of a few different factors.

1. Hollywood has already set the back story

2. Quick and easy to set up

3. It tugs at the want of power / weakness If you are the oppressor or the oppressed.

I don't think you are being harsh at all, just bringing up an interesting point.
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